E-7A Wedgetail

[Demonrat]

13 hours ago, FLEA said:

Unfortunately 11Rs are their own worse enemy in the AF. Been in the community for a while and the "bus driver" culture runs very strong. Was ridiculed by an evaluator as a young copilot for reading our 3-1 once. I'm not saying this is Demonrats case, but by and large the pilot community in many 11R aircraft attempts to remain as little engaged to the mission as possible, but then laments when positions like squadron and predominantly go to ABMs or EWOs. 

For the record, I’m not an 11R. But I know some 11Rs and have worked with some ABMs and what I have said is the sense I get from both communities.

[Demonrat]

5 hours ago, BeerMan said:

So you just decided to jump in and shit on the  E-3 community? Classy.

Man, there is a ton of butthurt all over this forum for some of the most insignificant comments. I call it like I see it, and I'm relaying things directly told to me from people in the community and based on my interactions with ABMs. 

[Demonrat]

49 minutes ago, BeerMan said:

 

 

You are a bully, a troll and add no value to the conversation. Knock it off. 

Bro, you need to take a chill pill. You’re the one making personal attacks based on 3 tongue-in-cheek but partly true comments made on an Internet forum.

The E-7 is a stopgap, already obsolete piece of crap that shouldn’t be anywhere around a near-peer adversary, and it’s just another example of a failed acquisition process just like the KC-46. Put that on top of, from what I’ve heard, an E-3 community full of toxic ABM leaders (see Tinker OG recently removed from command) that grew up in a fractured system and you have a recipe for disaster. I’m not being a bully or troll, but a realist.

Edit: I also like how if somebody says something you disagree with or take personally, they are immediately a “troll”, or “bully”, or “Karen”, or “idiot”. Nobody can make a joke, say something slightly controversial, or poke fun at something without a white knight flying in ready to accuse them of being a troll. 

 

 

Edited May 7, 2022 by Demonrat

[08Dawg]

2 hours ago, Demonrat said:

Bunch of bullshit

Does knock it off have a different meaning where you come from?

[Danger41]

Lol you may not be a troll but holy shit you’re sensitive.

[Majestik Møøse]

On 5/4/2022 at 11:31 PM, StoleIt said:

I saw the physical whiteboard with hundreds of pucks at the CAOC complete with every color of the rainbow and then different styled lines because the poor tanker patch would run out of colors and have to make more creative solutions when they had >40 lines a day.

I remember them trying to make a computer program to schedule tankers and, at least by my last deployment in 2017, it was nowhere near working.

It works great, a lot better than MAAPTK’s tanker pairing. The old board is still on the wall for historic significance.

[B52gator]

bye bye E7, hello E2

 

E-2 Hawkeye Replaces USAF E-3 Sentry, E-7 Cancelled In New Budget

 

[precontact]

Not a done deal, lots of politics at play still. Boeing has connections...

[GKinnear]

20 minutes ago, precontact said:

Not a done deal, lots of politics at play still. Boeing has connections...

It's a done deal as far as DoD is concerned and in the hands of Congress.

Good luck getting 218 goobers and 51 cats moving together in the right direction.

[brickhistory]

2 hours ago, B52gator said:

bye bye E7, hello E2

 

E-2 Hawkeye Replaces USAF E-3 Sentry, E-7 Cancelled In New Budget

 

Wow!

[Clark Griswold]

Buy a jet

[LookieRookie]

Yup, get a Bombadier/SAAB Global Eye or a E-37B. 

 

High/Fast

[Biff_T]

Nice.  How fast is an E-2, what are the legs on that thing?   

I'm not sure they'll make it to the fight.  Maybe they'll go low level?  Lol

[Clark Griswold]

Just a thought from left field but a manned AWACS and unmanned might work just as the fighter + CCA concept being developed 

Russian concept AWACS UAS

 

Could you modify a biz jet for ejection seats and ACE to austere fields without spending 6.9 billion?

[CharlesDavid]

Interesting thought—manned AWACS with unmanned support could work like the fighter + CCA model. Biz jet mods for ejection and ACE are possible, but not cheap or simple.

 

[Lawman]

Interesting thought—manned AWACS with unmanned support could work like the fighter + CCA model. Biz jet mods for ejection and ACE are possible, but not cheap or simple.
 

With the demonstrated capability to do point to point tight beam large datalink, ask this question…

What do you lose if the manned awacs gets shot down. Not in terms of money but in terms of personnel. And how deep is that bench? How quickly can you regenerate that, and where are you stealing from to do it.

This is the same survivability discussion going on in the ground. Put the commander in a position to commander, but we can’t replace whole staffs if they get fragged, so we have to distribute/harden/extend/efc.


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[brabus]

Realistically manned AWACS has zero utility in the PACOM fight, assuming full blown kinetic (and non-) hostilities.  IBS, UAS, etc. were needed yesterday to fulfill the Tac C2 mission in that war. 

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With the demonstrated capability to do point to point tight beam large datalink, ask this question…

What do you lose if the manned awacs gets shot down. Not in terms of money but in terms of personnel. And how deep is that bench? How quickly can you regenerate that, and where are you stealing from to do it.

This is the same survivability discussion going on in the ground. Put the commander in a position to commander, but we can’t replace whole staffs if they get fragged, so we have to distribute/harden/extend/efc.


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Well if we get 1500 pilots a year we’ll have lots of bodies and no iron…

/sarcasm


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[Clark Griswold]

17 hours ago, CharlesDavid said:

Interesting thought—manned AWACS with unmanned support could work like the fighter + CCA model. Biz jet mods for ejection and ACE are possible, but not cheap or simple.

 

Yup, modified biz jet in production now probably would be the only thing feasible if the powers that be said yes this is a valid way of providing C2 that is at a risk level we will tolerate but… if king for a day I’d propose a successor platform for the U-2, a compliment to the  E-2/3/7, E-11 while bringing new capabilities.

A modernized and larger WB-57

 

C2, arsenal, sensor, link and drone controller platform that could be optionally manned.

LOS at 55k is 270+ NM, outside the WEZ of all but the biggest systems and at the extreme range of the ones that could conceivably engage this system when on station.

Problem is how many tails, would need to be enough to avoid the problem of low volume high acquisition and high support costs.  

Edited 5 hours ago by Clark Griswold

[Boomer6]

26 minutes ago, Clark Griswold said:

Yup, modified biz jet in production now probably would be the only thing feasible if the powers that be said yes this is a valid way of providing C2 that is at a risk level we will tolerate but… if king for a day I’d propose a successor platform for the U-2, a compliment to the  E-2/3/7, E-11 while bringing new capabilities.

A modernized and larger WB-57

 

C2, arsenal, sensor, link and drone controller platform that could be optionally manned.

LOS at 55k is 270+ NM, outside the WEZ of all but the biggest systems and at the extreme range of the ones that could conceivably engage this system when on station.

Problem is how many tails, would need to be enough to avoid the problem of low volume high acquisition and high support costs.  

We could waste billions on resurrecting a 50s era aircraft like the WB-57 for C2... or we could use... space..