Russian Ukraine shenanigans

[BashiChuni]

All of the spending is ridiculous. 
 

it’ll bite our ass someday in the near future…

[Random Guy]

On 8/16/2022 at 4:58 AM, FourFans130 said:

I move that Random Guy be read-only or flat out blocked from this thread.  As much as we want to hear about his timeshare opportunities and how we should invest in doge coin, this is about the Ukraine war and not his idiotic drivel.  

I don't recommend doge coin or time shares. This is financial advice.

[FourFans]

10 minutes ago, Random Guy said:

I don't recommend doge coin or time shares. This is financial advice.

quality save

[gearhog]

The looting continues.

https://www.npr.org/2022/09/02/1120746237/white-house-ukraine-covid-19-monkeypox-supplemental-funding

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For Ukraine, the White House is asking for $11.7 billion, including $7.2 for military-related costs and $4.5 billion for direct economic support.

 

[Day Man]

would you rather that money is spent on developing weapons systems...intended to defeat the russians (among others)? I really don't get the aversion here...

[gearhog]

24 minutes ago, Day Man said:

would you rather that money is spent on developing weapons systems...intended to defeat the russians (among others)? I really don't get the aversion here...

We are playing directly into the hands of the Russian propaganda machine, and people are being taken in by it. This is a war of economic attrition. Russia knows how to live in austerity. We do not. 
 

https://twitter.com/WallStreetSilv/status/1565704584747749382?s=20&t=qRyo0YF9a949j47h5WOFgQ

[Guest nsplayr]

2 hours ago, torqued said:

We are playing directly into the hands of the Russian propaganda machine, and people are being taken in by it. This is a war of economic attrition. Russia knows how to live in austerity. We do not. 
 

https://twitter.com/WallStreetSilv/status/1565704584747749382?s=20&t=qRyo0YF9a949j47h5WOFgQ

If this is a war of economic attrition between Russia and the entirety of NATO...I feel freaking fantastic about winning that one!

Fuck Putin...you can live relatively peacefully in your petrostate dictatorship for the rest of your days if you KIO with all the polonium and invading your neighbors. I sincerely wish better for the Russian people, but that's on them at the end of the day. But the minute he stepped across the border and started murdering innocent people, it becomes our business. It should have been our business in 2008 when Russia unjustly attacked Georgia and we failed on that one.

As has been reiterated many times over, the relatively small amount of money being spent to help the Ukrainians defend their country and bleed out the Russian war machine has got to be the most efficient DoD money pound-for-pound spent since probably 1945.

Edited September 3, 2022 by nsplayr

[gearhog]

29 minutes ago, nsplayr said:

If this is a war of economic attrition between Russia and the entirety of NATO...I feel freaking fantastic about winning that one!

Fuck Putin...you can live relatively peacefully in your petrostate dictatorship for the rest of your days if you KIO with all the polonium and invading your neighbors. I sincerely wish better for the Russian people, but that's on them at the end of the day. But the minute he stepped across the border and starts murdering innocent people, it becomes our business. It should have been our more business in 2008 when Russia unjustly attacked Georgia.

As has been reiterated many times over, the relatively small amount of money being spent to help the Ukrainians defend their country and bleed out the Russian war machine has got to be the most efficient DoD money pound-for-pound spent since probably 1945.

Money is a merely claim on future energy. It’s finite. Who is producing it, and who requires it?

if you think this is about helping those poor Ukrainians defend their homeland, it’s a bit naïve. Thucydides trap.

https://amp.dw.com/en/nord-stream-1-russias-gazprom-announces-indefinite-shutdown-of-pipeline/a-63006660

Recently spent the day at the WWI museum. This gave me pause for thought. 

Edited September 3, 2022 by torqued

[Day Man]

1 hour ago, torqued said:

We are playing directly into the hands of the Russian propaganda machine, and people are being taken in by it. This is a war of economic attrition. Russia knows how to live in austerity. We do not. 
 

https://twitter.com/WallStreetSilv/status/1565704584747749382?s=20&t=qRyo0YF9a949j47h5WOFgQ

let me get this straight...

you claim we're being taken in by the russian propaganda machine, then post a video of putin as your source? 

[Danger41]

I don’t dabble into these political threads at all because I don’t have the willpower that some of you do, but I will say this.

1. Jackson, MS doesn’t have water to fight fires let alone flush toilets or drink.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/nation/2022/09/01/jackson-mississippi-water-crisis/
 

2. The US has contributed more than the entire European Union + the UK to Ukraine. 
Over $10 billion of which has been ear marked purely as “humanitarian aid”.

I’ll agree that in terms of bang for the buck with weakening a strategic competitor that this is money well spent. I will vehemently and vociferously oppose the view that that is more important than Americans not having fucking water to drink. 

[Guest nsplayr]

[Grabby]

1 hour ago, nsplayr said:

$30.8 Trillion of national debt?

[pawnman]

6 hours ago, Danger41 said:

I don’t dabble into these political threads at all because I don’t have the willpower that some of you do, but I will say this.

1. Jackson, MS doesn’t have water to fight fires let alone flush toilets or drink.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/nation/2022/09/01/jackson-mississippi-water-crisis/
 

2. The US has contributed more than the entire European Union + the UK to Ukraine. 
Over $10 billion of which has been ear marked purely as “humanitarian aid”.

I’ll agree that in terms of bang for the buck with weakening a strategic competitor that this is money well spent. I will vehemently and vociferously oppose the view that that is more important than Americans not having fucking water to drink. 

So your assertion is that if we just let Russia take over their neighbors... Missouri would have water? 

[gearhog]

6 hours ago, Day Man said:

let me get this straight...

you claim we're being taken in by the russian propaganda machine, then post a video of putin as your source? 

That's not what I typed.

"We're" playing into the hands of the Russian propaganda machine. We have a declining GDP, yet our expenditures are massively increasing. The only way that can occur is through money creation. We are now in a period of continuous emergency spending while our production of goods, services, and energy falls and consumption rises. We may be among the last to experience massive social unrest, but poorer countries are beginning to fail because their currency, pegged to the US dollar, can no longer compete on the global market. Once these new dollars are out there circulating, that bell doesn't get unrung.

Enter Putin and Russian propaganda. Unless you're paying attention, you won't see the large protests happening in Sri lanka, Guatemala, South Africa, Sierra Leone, Haiti, Bangladesh, Turkey, Argentina, even Britain and on and on... all over the cost of living. They're all looking for someone to blame. Chaos yields opportunity, and Russia is attempting to seize upon it. The BRICS nations are going to offer alternatives to the US dollar. Russia just shut off the last remaining Gazprom pipeline to Europe yesterday. Why would they cut off a revenue stream in the middle of a war? Because they know it creates emergency spending, then inflation, then social unrest.

I posted a video of the man himself, delivering his propaganda, to people who will be compelled by it. Isn't it important to know what we're up against? While he may correctly assess the problems (as we all can), I personally believe his solutions are fucking horrendous, but desperate people and governments we be willing to try anything.

 

[Lord Ratner]

18 hours ago, Random Guy said:

I don't recommend doge coin or time shares. This is financial advice.

Hang on buddy, you're not acting as a good fiduciary.

 

Timeshares can be an excellent purchase during a recession, since if you're patient, you'll probably find someone to pay you to take it 🤣😂

[Lord Ratner]

11 hours ago, torqued said:

We are playing directly into the hands of the Russian propaganda machine, and people are being taken in by it. This is a war of economic attrition. Russia knows how to live in austerity. We do not. 
 

https://twitter.com/WallStreetSilv/status/1565704584747749382?s=20&t=qRyo0YF9a949j47h5WOFgQ

Nonsense. What we are spending in Ukraine is budget dust compared to the domestic expenses that have put us well beyond the point of recovery.

The money sent to Ukraine probably has the highest rate of achieving its intended purpose of all government spending in the last 30 years.

 

[Guest nsplayr]

The US dollar is stronger than ever, economically we have weathered the COVID storm better than Russia, China and Europe, our population is growing without any latent time bombs (cough cough China), and Russia is taking (for us) unimaginable, catastrophic combat losses in Ukraine with little to show for it.

Europe is painfully now realizing relying on Russian gas was always a bad idea and is switching to both US LNG imports, renewables, and at least holding steady on nuclear rather than closing plants. They will make it through.

I’d rather be no one else on the global stage right now and there’s no more viable economic model than US-led western-style capitalism. We have the strongest economic outlook and by far the strongest military, especially considering who we have as allies.

Putin can crash his fading, overestimated military against the hard rocks of Ukraine for as long as he’d like and cling to the last drips of oil and gas as the rest of the world passes him by.

Whenever the Russian people have had enough and want a piece of the long-term prosperity available to them by properly joining the global economy (like their neighbors in the Baltic states and Eastern Europe have more or less done), I welcome them. Let Vlad have an “unfortunate fall from a high window” and let’s be done with him.

Edited September 3, 2022 by nsplayr

[RASH]

So your assertion is that if we just let Russia take over their neighbors... Missouri would have water? 

Mississippi…


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[HeloDude]

1 hour ago, nsplayr said:

Talking points

Just so we understand you correctly, are you making the argument that the US economy is strong/in good shape right now?  

[Prozac]

20 minutes ago, HeloDude said:

Just so we understand you correctly, are you making the argument that the US economy is strong/in good shape right now?  

Strong-er than pretty much everybody else. It’s all relative my man. What country would you rather live in at the moment? 

[Guest nsplayr]

22 minutes ago, HeloDude said:

Just so we understand you correctly, are you making the argument that the US economy is strong/in good shape right now?  

Especially compared to anyone else. Like Einstein said, it’s all relative. 

[HeloDude]

11 minutes ago, Prozac said:

Strong-er than pretty much everybody else. It’s all relative my man. What country would you rather live in at the moment? 

I don’t care about other countries, I care about our own.  So if you think this economy is good/strong compared to recent previous years, then we’ll just have to disagree on that one. 

[Danger41]

4 hours ago, pawnman said:

So your assertion is that if we just let Russia take over their neighbors... Missouri would have water? 

Missouri has water now but Mississippi is having problems. 
 

I’m saying Russia’s other neighbors aka our NATO allies, could not rely on us to take care of their defense if they were really worried about it. Hell, how many even meet the 2% GDP requirement? Therefore, they pay up and stop being weak dick cucks and we can put some money towards our own crumbling stuff. But that’s a way bigger conversation than I want to have/outside the scope here.
 

I know you know that and you’re being obtuse. But then again you don’t know the difference in postal codes between Mississippi and Missouri so who knows.

[HeloDude]

11 minutes ago, nsplayr said:

Especially compared to anyone else. Like Einstein said, it’s all relative. 

Well, 83% of Americans disagree with you, but you keep thinking that lol.

https://news.gallup.com/poll/398963/economic-confidence-improving-weak.aspx

[Biff_T]

3 hours ago, Lord Ratner said:

Nonsense. What we are spending in Ukraine is budget dust compared to the domestic expenses that have put us well beyond the point of recovery.

The money sent to Ukraine probably has the highest rate of achieving its intended purpose of all government spending in the last 30 years.

 

I like to take a little hit of that budget dust to help the homeless. Nobody is really doing anything except moving them to other places.  I imagine good majority of the nation's homeless eventually end up in So Cal (good weather for the homeless).  Skid Row (not the band) is one example of many places that should not exist in our society. Dem/Reps aren't really doing anything to help.  It's mostly lip service and local volunteers doing what little they can.

Homeless American children as well.   

There is so much wrong in our country right now that it makes me question what pronoun to call myself?

 

I forgot this was the Russian thread.

Putin will eventually die.   The sad thing is what happens when the soldiers come home and realize that they were duped.  Going into hell and killing people for a lie. Now they come home to a broken country.  Putin will eventually die. Lyrics maybe?

Putin should be scared.