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PROPORTIONALITY is key here. While civilian casualties are an unfortunate reality of war, it is still not ok to commit murder. Have a look at the multitude of evidence of Russians executing civilians

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Here are some interesting things I've picked up working heavily in NATO/Europe. Really opened my aperture for how I see the world.  1.) Europeans do not see the US as the winners of WW2. They bel

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“Environmentally unsound” is definitely built for the European audience. Think they’re talking about the fuel dumping or the resultant littering and… littering and… smoking the Reaper?

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DirkDiggler Gray Beard

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12 minutes ago, hockeydork said:

Don't you wish you could buy them all a beer?

At a minimum.  I went to ACSC with two Ukrainian officers, I think about them and their families every day.  No idea if they're dead or alive.

arg Gray Beard

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5 hours ago, DirkDiggler said:

Ukrainian SA-8 shooting down something

We were yanking and banking to get away from one of these, and some 6s, one night in the Desert Storm. They didn't get a lock on us thankfully, we ran out of chaff but still had the partially effective pods.

Good thing the Iraqis were not as good as these guys.

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10 hours ago, arg said:

We were yanking and banking to get away from one of these, and some 6s, one night in the Desert Storm. They didn't get a lock on us thankfully, we ran out of chaff but still had the partially effective pods.

Good thing the Iraqis were not as good as these guys.

A whole lot of combined arms doctrine will need to be looked at when this is all over.

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28 minutes ago, fire4effect said:

A whole lot of combined arms doctrine will need to be looked at when this is all over.

In one aspect, it's sad the Russia is getting some practice out of this experience.  I'd rather they had saved their (potentially) inept maneuvering for a later conflict.

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Word is the Ukrainians are low on munitions for their Turkish Drones.  I know the Turks were delivering more drone systems, hopefully they can speed more munitions as well.

Also, it appears they tagged another Russian Two Star.

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16 minutes ago, ClearedHot said:

Word is the Ukrainians are low on munitions for their Turkish Drones.  I know the Turks were delivering more drone systems, hopefully they can speed more munitions as well.

Also, it appears they tagged another Russian Two Star.

 

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4 minutes ago, fire4effect said:

Ukraine says it successfully attacked Russian vehicles in Kyiv thanks to a Telegram tip (msn.com)

Modern targeting via social media. How the world has changed.

This has been one of the most interesting points. We have the Ukrainian military leveraging geolocating/literally the public of the world to find Russian armor. What a resource to tap. The Russians have their population walled off who think nothings going on. Crazy how much of a disadvantage you are at when the free world hates you. 

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26 minutes ago, hockeydork said:

This has been one of the most interesting points. We have the Ukrainian military leveraging geolocating/literally the public of the world to find Russian armor. What a resource to tap. The Russians have their population walled off who think nothings going on. Crazy how much of a disadvantage you are at when the free world hates you. 

I guess passing 300 posts makes me "Supreme User" 😁What do I win? I like Jameson.

In this day and age even in Russia I would say eventually the truth finds its way out. Nothing stays a secret for long.

FLEA Gray Beard

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1 hour ago, DirkDiggler said:

 

Man. It's like being the second in command of Al Queda. I remember a 4 year straight where that was the most dangerous job in the world. 

 

 

 

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VigilanteNav Crew Dawg

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Ugly to watch as a human but highly suspenseful to the military bubba.  Does Kyiv become Putin's Stalingrad? Highly recommend the Institute for the Study of War site.  Its the best open source site for battle tracking I've come across so far.  It was started by Retired Army General Jack Keane so I'm assuming its at least a legit/non-profit/non-partisan source.  https://www.understandingwar.org/backgrounder/russian-offensive-campaign-assessment-march-7   Also, their assessments site various source's sites such as the Ukrainian Army and Air Force's official facebook sites.  In those, I found a post on a Ukrainian pilot, Colonel Alexander Mostovy, who was recognized as shooting down an IL-76 and 2xMi-24s. (I cannot confirm or deny he is the son of the Ghost of Kyiv...:))     https://www.facebook.com/kpszsu    Ukraine's use of information warfare is definitely interesting to behold.  Makes me think we should fire all USAF PA officers and replace them with Ukrainian's after this is all over!    

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tac airlifter Gray Beard

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I think it’s a terrible idea to hurt Russia’s economy and their people just because we don’t like what Putin is doing.  Mass punishment doesn’t work on me or you or anyone. Human beings hate that shit.
 

i’m not sure what specific military effect we want to achieve by turning off some grandmother‘s credit card, or what we expect Russian civilians to do, but I’m not going to chuckle at starving civilians standing in food lines. They are innocent.

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FLEA Gray Beard

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11 minutes ago, tac airlifter said:

I think it’s a terrible idea to hurt Russia’s economy and their people just because we don’t like what Putin is doing.  Mass punishment doesn’t work on me or you or anyone. Human beings hate that shit.
 

i’m not sure what specific military effect we want to achieve by turning off some grandmother‘s credit card, or what we expect Russian civilians to do, but I’m not going to chuckle at starving civilians standing in food lines. They are innocent.

Well its not a military effect for one. Its an economic effect and economic power is exercised very differently. 

I agree that chuckling at hunger is not apropo. That said, there is some rationale here. For one, just scratching the surface, tightening Russia's economy reduces revenue available to their war machine. It will make it difficult for them to sustain an extended campaign. Putin will have to choose to feed his people or expand his military efforts. I know the knee jerk thought is he wouldn't do that, but remember Machiavelli here, the primary security concern of the Prince is to prevent rebellion, not external security. We've seen dictators practice this time and time before. Kim Jong Un is a good example who didn't have the popularity of his father when he ascended and immediately needed to reinvest military capital into the country's agricultural sector to balance his internal/external affairs. 

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