COVID-19 (Aka China Virus)

[FUSEPLUG]

40 minutes ago, SocialD said:

Wait, were the people who didn't get the shot NOT supposed to be working over the last few years?  You know, asking for a friend...  Fuse, were you not allowed to drill/work?  I know of one squadron would have had to cease operations if all their pilots who didn't vax weren't allowed to work.  Either way, I hope you get your 50 points/good year.  Best of luck!

That's correct.  I was denied a medical exemption in the fall of 2021 (far too long of a story to detail here).  A Dec '21 memo from the SecAF basically said no/pay no points and eventual invol assignment to the IRR for TRs/DSGs.  So I did no Guard duty from Jan 2022 until just recently after the NDAA eliminated the mandate, thus missing out on that good year.  

Religious exemptions, on the other hand, were slow-rolled and eventually a court injunction paused adverse actions against members with a RAR.  They were allowed to continue drilling/flying.  I was offered the option to pursue a religious exemption after my medical was denied, but I had my hill and was ready to die on it.  I am in a fortunate enough position with my airline gig to be able to push back on all of this without losing much sleep.  

[SocialD]

1 hour ago, FUSEPLUG said:

That's correct.  I was denied a medical exemption in the fall of 2021 (far too long of a story to detail here).  A Dec '21 memo from the SecAF basically said no/pay no points and eventual invol assignment to the IRR for TRs/DSGs.  So I did no Guard duty from Jan 2022 until just recently after the NDAA eliminated the mandate, thus missing out on that good year.  

Religious exemptions, on the other hand, were slow-rolled and eventually a court injunction paused adverse actions against members with a RAR.  They were allowed to continue drilling/flying.  I was offered the option to pursue a religious exemption after my medical was denied, but I had my hill and was ready to die on it.  I am in a fortunate enough position with my airline gig to be able to push back on all of this without losing much sleep.  

 

 

Ah ok, didn't realize there was a difference with the medical exemption guys as we just have religious exemption guys.  Here's hoping you have plenty of time before your next "year" to get a good year now.  Even more so, I hope they just go back and give you credit for that year. 

Edited February 3, 2023 by SocialD

[Prozac]

22 hours ago, gearhog said:

Don't forget to critique the source, but not the content.

Recent Data Shows 'Stunning Increase' In Serious Harm Reports In Young Healthy Pilots: Army Lt. Col. Theresa Long

https://archive.is/AdbGX

So here’s my honest question: If there is indeed an issue here, why aren’t the rest of the flight surgeons across the services raising the flag? Are we really to believe that everyone but LtCol Long is either part of the conspiracy or has otherwise been silenced? I’m sorry, but if one LtCol is making noises while the rest of the medical institution says vaccinations are safe, I tend to throw out the outlier. Four out of five dentists & all that jazz. 

[gearhog]

1 hour ago, Prozac said:

So here’s my honest question: If there is indeed an issue here, why aren’t the rest of the flight surgeons across the services raising the flag? Are we really to believe that everyone but LtCol Long is either part of the conspiracy or has otherwise been silenced? I’m sorry, but if one LtCol is making noises while the rest of the medical institution says vaccinations are safe, I tend to throw out the outlier. Four out of five dentists & all that jazz. 

Reminds me of the old joke: "What do you call the person who graduates last in his/her class in med school?"

"Captain."

I can't answer for certain as I don't know this person. But I wonder how many in the flight surgeon ranks are the "go along to get along" types. The ones who don't want to rock the boat, endanger their career progression, etc. When you subtract those out, how many are left? It's like asking how many pilots actually put it all on the line and not just refuse, but challenge the mandate and take it to court. A few, but not many, apparently. And I would have to admit that I didn't vocally challenge. I just quietly shrugged and refused, but I admire the people that had more courage. Of the flight surgeons remaining, how many are going sit down at the DMEDs database and sift through the entries, compile them, and put their career on the line by publicly releasing the findings? She'd have to been extremely confident. Data is data and apparently it would be easily accessible by any other medical member. Seems like it should be easily and immediately refuted if untrue.

Edited February 3, 2023 by gearhog

[FLEA]

5 hours ago, gearhog said:

Reminds me of the old joke: "What do you call the person who graduates last in his/her class in med school?"

"Captain."

I can't answer for certain as I don't know this person. But I wonder how many in the flight surgeon ranks are the "go along to get along" types. The ones who don't want to rock the boat, endanger their career progression, etc. When you subtract those out, how many are left? It's like asking how many pilots actually put it all on the line and not just refuse, but challenge the mandate and take it to court. A few, but not many, apparently. And I would have to admit that I didn't vocally challenge. I just quietly shrugged and refused, but I admire the people that had more courage. Of the flight surgeons remaining, how many are going sit down at the DMEDs database and sift through the entries, compile them, and put their career on the line by publicly releasing the findings? She'd have to been extremely confident. Data is data and apparently it would be easily accessible by any other medical member. Seems like it should be easily and immediately refuted if untrue.

I think we also vastly underestimate the VAST VAST VAST majority of people in society who just give zero fucks and really have more shit on their plate than taking the personal time to advocate for someone/something. I don't particularly like some of the injustices going on in society and I will definitely get vocal with 2 beers at a party, but you won't find me out there writing articles, picketing, or doing anything that otherwise distracts me from the 6 million obligations I have each week to make sure I can pay rent and not be homeless. 

 

Edited February 3, 2023 by FLEA

[tac airlifter]

6 hours ago, Prozac said:

 I’m sorry, but if one LtCol is making noises while the rest of the medical institution says vaccinations are safe

Do you think the rest of the medical institutions say the C19 vaccines are safe?

 

[Prozac]

1 hour ago, tac airlifter said:

Do you think the rest of the medical institutions say the C19 vaccines are safe?

 

Well, Johns Hopkins says it’s safe, as does CDC, as does Mayo Clinic, as does the UK NIH, as do the Aussies, the Japanese, and so on. So yes, while I respect the fact that this may be one particular doctor’s informed medical opinion, it seems most in her profession don’t share her views. 

[BashiChuni]

25 minutes ago, Prozac said:

Well, Johns Hopkins says it’s safe, as does CDC, as does Mayo Clinic, as does the UK NIH, as do the Aussies, the Japanese, and so on. So yes, while I respect the fact that this may be one particular doctor’s informed medical opinion, it seems most in her profession don’t share her views. 

just like EVERYONE said if you get the vax you CANNOT GET COVID

[filthy_liar]

Wow, a lot of folks saying that lower income folks are hard working, show up to work on time, don't call in sick type of people.  Some are.  Most aren't.  Which is why they are in that job in the first place.  And which is why your service, be it restaurant, oil change, asking someone for assistance at Lowe's, etc; sucks.  In a service based economy.  It wasn't always that way.  But it is now.  Not that way in Europe or Asia.  The service industry employees, even at the lower income positions, bend over backwards to make sure the customer is satisfied.  And their bosses make sure of that.  Not so anymore in America.

To FourFans, since you posted a coherent response - I'm not a GS.  I'm in a building full of them and gov't contractors.  It's a very strange organization, there are literally no uniformed members in the unit.  When I was active duty they were a problem, with the exception of at the Pentagon.  I think the reason for that was up there they were all retired 0-6s and knew the game - come to work, do a pretty good job, get paid, go home.  But at Eglin and in Germany they were a nightmare and you couldn't touch them.

After the military I had a lot of eye opening experiences.  One of them was, when I started hanging out with friends of friends (down here in Bama) I noticed that holy shit - there are a lot of people that do not hold the same work ethic as I do.  Not bad people, but definitely not the type who push through to get the mission accomplished because other people are counting on you.  I spent my career sheltered from this.  People do every frigging thing they can to get out of work.  They come up with schemes that I would never dream of.  And if they have the sniffles - they sure as shit ain't going to work.  If you have not observed this, you are probably not very close to lower income folks.  It was an eye opener for me, and explains a lot of the challenges that I have at Krogers that I didn't have in the squadron.  And that's saying a lot.

[Prozac]

6 hours ago, gearhog said:

Seems like it should be easily and immediately refuted if untrue.

Kinda like how she was refuted when she claimed the vax was made from antifreeze? https://thehill.com/changing-america/well-being/prevention-cures/574770-army-brigade-surgeon-claims-in-lawsuit-vaccines/amp/

[filthy_liar]

Prozac you're good if I don't get the vaccine though, yes?  If you're good with that, I have no issue with you believing whatever study you want.

[Prozac]

11 minutes ago, filthy_liar said:

Prozac you're good if I don't get the vaccine though, yes?  If you're good with that, I have no issue with you believing whatever study you want.

Yeah man. You do you. 

[Guest nsplayr]

3 hours ago, tac airlifter said:

Do you think the rest of the medical institutions say the C19 vaccines are safe?

 

[Guest nsplayr]

56 minutes ago, filthy_liar said:

…and explains a lot of the challenges that I have at Krogers…

[arg]

1 hour ago, Prozac said:

Well, Johns Hopkins says it’s safe, as does CDC, as does Mayo Clinic, as does the UK NIH, as do the Aussies, the Japanese, and so on. So yes, while I respect the fact that this may be one particular doctor’s informed medical opinion, it seems most in her profession don’t share her views. 

Did they take 'and effective' away from safe? If you listen you can hear the drums off in the distance. Stay tuned.

Also where do those places you listed get their funding?

[filthy_liar]

Is nsplayer the new Sims, but on the left?  What is up with some outrageous meme for every response?

[filthy_liar]

17 minutes ago, Prozac said:

Yeah man. You do you. 

Outstanding.

[Guest nsplayr]

16 minutes ago, filthy_liar said:

Is nsplayer the new Sims, but on the left?  What is up with some outrageous meme for every response?

Because you are a ridiculous person to try to talk to on here and I’ve given up trying to take you seriously.

[filthy_liar]

So you turned into Sims?  Hit the ignore button hero.

[arg]

1 hour ago, Prozac said:

Kinda like how she was refuted when she claimed the vax was made from antifreeze? https://thehill.com/changing-america/well-being/prevention-cures/574770-army-brigade-surgeon-claims-in-lawsuit-vaccines/amp/

She should have been more specific, it's in RV anti-freeze, the non-toxic stuff.

[tac airlifter]

2 hours ago, Prozac said:

Well, Johns Hopkins says it’s safe, as does CDC, as does Mayo Clinic, as does the UK NIH, as do the Aussies, the Japanese, and so on. 

Do Denmark, Norway, Austria, Estonia, Latvia also agree?  Does Florida agree?  

it’s tough to say what views “most in her profession” share given the well documented government endorsed censorship.  It looks to me like the C19 risk/reward decision matrix is far more nuanced than CDC has acknowledged.  Which means we shouldn’t have mandated it.

[filthy_liar]

12 minutes ago, tac airlifter said:

Which means we shouldn’t have mandated it.

Regardless of what studies you endorse or believe.  That's where the shut it down mask up get the vaccine mandates crowd lost me.  I understand that the majority of parents no longer parent. They don't.  They are perfectly happy with the government (public schools) telling their kids what to believe.  And so these same lazy ass parents don't really want to adult either.  Let the government tell me the answer.  It's covid, its hard...let the government tell me what to do.  They are consumed with things that don't involve parenting or adulting.  The government was happy to enforce mandates to these citizens, and they will now enforce more. 

[filthy_liar]

I've posted it in here before (I think), I'll do it again.  Get yourself 5 acres.  Learn how to garden.  Have some protein, whether that is goats or fish in a pond.  Figure out how to do things yourself.  Learn to be self sufficient.  Or don't.  An eye opener for me, I talked to a "neighbor" when covid hit.  I put neighbor in quotes because I can't see her house and she can't see mine (tyranny of distance). I asked her in Mar 20 what she thought of covid.  The shelves were empty.  Goya beans were your option here.  She didn't have a care in the world.  She couldn't care less about the crisis.  She had all the supplies and food that she needed. This was in the peak of the covid.

You can behave like a social nancy (karen) and over react to everything because you have to, or you can get yourself 5 acres. Or two acres.  Or store up stuff in your apartment.

[FLEA]

2 hours ago, filthy_liar said:

Wow, a lot of folks saying that lower income folks are hard working, show up to work on time, don't call in sick type of people.  Some are.  Most aren't.  Which is why they are in that job in the first place.  And which is why your service, be it restaurant, oil change, asking someone for assistance at Lowe's, etc; sucks.  In a service based economy.  It wasn't always that way.  But it is now.  Not that way in Europe or Asia.  The service industry employees, even at the lower income positions, bend over backwards to make sure the customer is satisfied.  And their bosses make sure of that.  Not so anymore in America.

To FourFans, since you posted a coherent response - I'm not a GS.  I'm in a building full of them and gov't contractors.  It's a very strange organization, there are literally no uniformed members in the unit.  When I was active duty they were a problem, with the exception of at the Pentagon.  I think the reason for that was up there they were all retired 0-6s and knew the game - come to work, do a pretty good job, get paid, go home.  But at Eglin and in Germany they were a nightmare and you couldn't touch them.

After the military I had a lot of eye opening experiences.  One of them was, when I started hanging out with friends of friends (down here in Bama) I noticed that holy shit - there are a lot of people that do not hold the same work ethic as I do.  Not bad people, but definitely not the type who push through to get the mission accomplished because other people are counting on you.  I spent my career sheltered from this.  People do every frigging thing they can to get out of work.  They come up with schemes that I would never dream of.  And if they have the sniffles - they sure as shit ain't going to work.  If you have not observed this, you are probably not very close to lower income folks.  It was an eye opener for me, and explains a lot of the challenges that I have at Krogers that I didn't have in the squadron.  And that's saying a lot.

Man if I had more time I would love to dissect this for you. But its very clear your bias here and the tint of your lenses. If you think people in the private sector give a damn about "the mission" or "the objective"..... You are coming from a place of loyalty/duty/purpose. In the private sector the only "thing" you work for is supporting a bunch of privledged people line their pockets with satin gold you'll never touch. People don't work for "the mission." They work for "themselves." And that often means coming to work running out the mouth ass and nose because they need to make that rent payment in 2 weeks and they aren't getting paid if they aren't there. 

[gearhog]

3 hours ago, Prozac said:

Kinda like how she was refuted when she claimed the vax was made from antifreeze? https://thehill.com/changing-america/well-being/prevention-cures/574770-army-brigade-surgeon-claims-in-lawsuit-vaccines/amp/

That does sound strange… until you realize Polyethelene glycol is in everything. Should you be injecting it? I’m not a doctor. 

Adding to their use in cosmetics, many PEG compounds also have other applications. Available information from these uses is included in this assessment where relevant. In the pharmaceutical industry, for instance, they are used as ointment bases or vehicles for drugs in capsules, tablet and pill binders, suppositories, and liquid prescriptions; and in veterinary drugs as part of parenteral, topical, ophthalmic, oral, and rectal preparations.

https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC4505343/

Edit: These were the first two results when I googled polyethelene glycol injections. Wtf? She’s on to something. Thanks for the lede, I had no idea anti-freeze (PEG-2000 in this case) was actually in the vaccine and documented to have caused adverse reactions. Yikes.

https://medlineplus.gov/druginfo/meds/a619007.html

https://www.bjanaesthesia.org/article/S0007-0912(20)31009-6/fulltext

 

Edited February 4, 2023 by gearhog