4 hours ago, Negat0ry said:

Does a potential conspiracy from world leaders where a large portion all were involved in child rape for years matter? It sure did back when Qanon said that a liberal cabal was doing it. I’d say from the stance of someone with a shred of morality that it matters. You gonna really try to take this road? “Does potential unpunished child rape matter?”

You all have been reading biased news and sticking your head in the sand. You can read the files yourself. They are on the justice.gov websites. Why do some people have a tendency to want to not trust the news and instead trust dude bro podcasters when it comes to things like COVID #doyourownresearch, but then they do nothing/fall in line when it comes to things that could “hurt their worldview” like the Epstein files?

It’s intentional so they can not have to challenge their preconceptions and/or go against their tribe. You and they are receiving a strong push from those you align with that you will not be perceived well if you buy into this. The message is to just ignore it, don’t look at it, don’t think about it. You guys are smarter than that.

As a reminder, the house is forcing Bill and Hillary Clinton to testify. Do you think what’s in the Epstein files is worse, the same, or better for Clinton than for other political idols? You think these files just say Clinton? Not even close.

What exists? Heinous accusations from NTOC. Here’s just a couple (could have easily include 5-10 times this number of screenshots):

Signed depositions with dozens of pages of declared alleged abuse.

Clear phone records where Trumps phone number dials Epsteins phone number well past the mid 2005 story that has been told.

Blackmail from Epstein alleging Bill Gates got an STD from a Russian girl.

More formally submitted allegations about abuse of a child:

Multiple times where Elon Musk directly asked to go to the island for “wild parties” and Epstein said he would get him a heli, directly contradicting Elons statements. Oh is it weird you haven’t seen that on X much?

Official declassified FBI intelligence marked Secret//NF tying Epstein to both Israeli and Russian foreign influence operations:

https://www.justice.gov/epstein/files/DataSet%2010/EFTA01683874.pdf

Many sources commenting on multiple high profile people such as Trump, Israeli PM, Dershowitz, Bush, Clinton, etc. could be compromised at various levels.

This is pulled directly from the justice.gov website. There are literally millions more.

There are good reasons why many are arguing that an apolitical look and investigation of people such as Trump, Clinton, Bill Gates, Elon Musk, Andrew Mountbatten, Richard Branson, etc. are warranted. Of course there’s not a smoking gun. They gonna release a video of all these people abusing a child? That’s not the argument. The argument here is: is there sufficient evidence to support an investigation to substantiate or clear these claims? We know there were more abusers than just Epstein.

My recommendation: take a breather on the media propaganda they are trying to have you consume - it’s trying to make you think one way without literally any evidence. Look at the files yourself. Why would the media, who is owned exclusively by billionaires who benefit from the status quo, go out of their way to break this story? If you don’t get it yet, they want the system as it is.

Also, dont play politics with child rape conspiracies. And stop trying to make this a liberal v conservative slugfest. You come off like someone who can’t read or form any of their own thoughts.

The evidence in the files is much worse than any obtuse outside podcaster/talk radio argument they’re trying to feed you. And it’s not just one person or one party. It’s everyone that is rich. Honestly, the one thing I took away from this is that wealth of that magnitude corrupts humans. On top of that, this is just what they have intentionally released so far. There are millions of files, pictures, and videos that they have not.

I guess we’ll see how well my comment ages

2 hours ago, ClearedHot said:

You used to serve as a good counterpoint to the obviously conservative tone on this forum, but you’ve drifted into an ideologue spewing outright falsehoods...you can't admit a single fault with the actions on the left.

Most people on here have been clear they disagree with plenty of what Trump says. That’s not in dispute.

What is disconnected from reality is your insinuation that the “party of Trump” is poised to destroy or kill anyone who isn’t in lockstep with some imagined orthodoxy.

Let’s talk about actual violence, not vibes.

Which side burned entire city blocks, torched police stations, and caused billions in damage during the 2020 riots—riots that left dozens dead?
Which side created “autonomous zones” enforced by armed mobs where people were shot and killed?
Which side spent years firebombing courthouses and attacking federal buildings in places like Portland?
Which side shot up a congressional baseball practice after being radicalized by partisan rhetoric?
Which side regularly labels ICE agents “Nazis,” a term historically used to justify violence against them?
Which side cheers assaults on political opponents as “punching Nazis” when the definition of “Nazi” seems to be “anyone who disagrees”?
Which side shot Trump in the ear, nearly missing his brain stem? Then tried again on a golf course?

Political violence is wrong—full stop. But pretending it’s some uniquely right-wing phenomenon while ignoring years of documented left-wing rioting, assaults, and intimidation isn’t principled. It’s willful blindness.

If you want to criticize Trump or Republicans, fine. Plenty do, including people here. But rewriting recent history to paint one side as uniquely violent while memory-holing the other is exactly the kind of bad-faith argument you used to push back against.

You can do better than that.

I would like to add one

Which party wants to let an elementary school age boy cut off his junk because he thinks he wants to be a girl. Without parents consent BTW

3 hours ago, Negat0ry said:

Does a potential conspiracy from world leaders where a large portion all were involved in child rape for years matter? It sure did back when Qanon said that a liberal cabal was doing it. I’d say from the stance of someone with a shred of morality that it matters. You gonna really try to take this road? “Does potential unpunished child rape matter?”

You all have been reading biased news and sticking your head in the sand. You can read the files yourself. They are on the justice.gov websites. Why do some people have a tendency to want to not trust the news and instead trust dude bro podcasters when it comes to things like COVID #doyourownresearch, but then they do nothing/fall in line when it comes to things that could “hurt their worldview” like the Epstein files?

It’s intentional so they can not have to challenge their preconceptions and/or go against their tribe. You and they are receiving a strong push from those you align with that you will not be perceived well if you buy into this. The message is to just ignore it, don’t look at it, don’t think about it. You guys are smarter than that.

As a reminder, the house is forcing Bill and Hillary Clinton to testify. Do you think what’s in the Epstein files is worse, the same, or better for Clinton than for other political idols? You think these files just say Clinton? Not even close.

What exists? Heinous accusations from NTOC. Here’s just a couple (could have easily include 5-10 times this number of screenshots):

Signed depositions with dozens of pages of declared alleged abuse.

Clear phone records where Trumps phone number dials Epsteins phone number well past the mid 2005 story that has been told.

Blackmail from Epstein alleging Bill Gates got an STD from a Russian girl.

More formally submitted allegations about abuse of a child:

Multiple times where Elon Musk directly asked to go to the island for “wild parties” and Epstein said he would get him a heli, directly contradicting Elons statements. Oh is it weird you haven’t seen that on X much?

Official declassified FBI intelligence marked Secret//NF tying Epstein to both Israeli and Russian foreign influence operations:

https://www.justice.gov/epstein/files/DataSet%2010/EFTA01683874.pdf

Many sources commenting on multiple high profile people such as Trump, Israeli PM, Dershowitz, Bush, Clinton, etc. could be compromised at various levels.

This is pulled directly from the justice.gov website. There are literally millions more.

There are good reasons why many are arguing that an apolitical look and investigation of people such as Trump, Clinton, Bill Gates, Elon Musk, Andrew Mountbatten, Richard Branson, etc. are warranted. Of course there’s not a smoking gun. They gonna release a video of all these people abusing a child? That’s not the argument. The argument here is: is there sufficient evidence to support an investigation to substantiate or clear these claims? We know there were more abusers than just Epstein.

My recommendation: take a breather on the media propaganda they are trying to have you consume - it’s trying to make you think one way without literally any evidence. Look at the files yourself. Why would the media, who is owned exclusively by billionaires who benefit from the status quo, go out of their way to break this story? If you don’t get it yet, they want the system as it is.

Also, dont play politics with child rape conspiracies. And stop trying to make this a liberal v conservative slugfest. You come off like someone who can’t read or form any of their own thoughts.

The evidence in the files is much worse than any obtuse outside podcaster/talk radio argument they’re trying to feed you. And it’s not just one person or one party. It’s everyone that is rich. Honestly, the one thing I took away from this is that wealth of that magnitude corrupts humans. On top of that, this is just what they have intentionally released so far. There are millions of files, pictures, and videos that they have not.

It's kind of a weird flex to criticize me for asking for Cliff's notes, then giving me the Cliff's notes. So, thanks? I guess?

I agree there is some interesting stuff in there, in isolation. Certainly about Elon, who has been unstable at best since he became famous. Considering silicon valley has rather poorly hidden secret regarding parties loaded with sex and drugs, it would not surprise me at all if Elon was an eager participant.

But as with all things, you are once again picking very specific parts of a story and putting them together to craft the narrative you want.

Elon wanting to go to sex Island is only a scandal if Jeffrey Epstein was sharing his underage victims with Elon. Bill Gates getting an STD from a Russian whore is only interesting if the Russian whore was underage and Hates knew it. Donald Trump raping a minor will certainly be interesting, if it is substantiated. Kind of remarkable how in a world where even the Chinese couldn't keep their coronavirus fuck up a secret, somehow Jeffrey Epstein was able to maintain a clandestine underage sex extortion operation, without so much as a single shred of confirmable evidence, long after he was dead.

But can we please stop pretending like an allegation is anything more than that? Should an allegation be investigated? Absolutely. And from the looks of it everything you posted was investigated already.

My entire adult life, starting with my time at USAFA, has been plagued by "experts" with an axe to grind insisting that 90% of sexual encounters for women are rape. If she's had a drink? Rape. If she's a subordinate? Rape. If she didn't give you verbal affirmative consent? Rape. If she regretted the encounter the next day? Rape. Also: A woman would never lie about being raped. A woman would never use sex to get ahead in her career. A woman who used sex to get ahead in her career would never lie about it if the relationship was discovered...

It's all absolute nonsense. But like everything else in politics today, if it's good for your team, you'll ignore every shred of common sense you once had and pray the story, no matter how absurd, is somehow true. You know, like that woman who claims to have been raped in a department store, but doesn't exactly remember when and doesn't exactly remember how and doesn't remember exactly where? Even though that alleged rape so thoroughly ruined her life, according to her own testimony, she couldn't remember any details that would have actually helped in substantiating her claim.

Same goes for all the good MAGA Christians I know who insisted that Donald Trump is really a good man, and Stormy Daniels was just making that story up for more attention.

Normally I would say let's do a full investigation of the incidents you posted here from the latest document dump. But there's already been an investigation. These women have already been milked for every drop of information, and both you and I know damn well that if there was anything even remotely substantiated in any of these claims, Donald Trump would have been publicly crucified a long time ago. There is simply no universe where the Democrats would have sat on this information. So no, I don't support another investigation because it's painfully clear at this point that the investigations are being used as just another tool to win elections.

You either know that, or you are every bit as stupid as you sound online.

It's also fucking stupid to tell another person that they should be reading mountains of evidence released by the justice department. Are you kidding me? Is your life really so empty and boring that you have time to do something like this, that will have no effect on anything or anyone anywhere anytime? Jesus Christ man, learn to knit. At least then you'll have some socks and a lot less mental anguish.

I already spend more time on my phone than I should, when I should just be playing with my toddlers, and you think I should spend even more time "doing my own research" about the most investigated conspiracy in modern history? No thanks. I have every confidence that you'll bust the case wide open without my help 🤣😂