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[brickhistory]

14 minutes ago, Sua Sponte said:

Except that retard has done the same thing before. Let me ask you this, if you would’ve done what the SECDEF has done previously and accused of doing again (i.e., release classified information to people who don’t have a need to know on a non-approved platform), would you be charged with a crime? By the way, it’s a yes or no answer. I don’t need your whataboutism you like the spew in every response. 

Objection, Dr.

You note "accused a second time."  By these outlets using unnamed sources.

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the New York Times, CNN, and Reuters reported, citing unnamed sources.

The SECDEF, has, on the record, denied the accusation.

Something like "innocent until proven guilty" comes to mind, but that's me and my old-fashioned ideas.

Today, apparently, it's enough to be accused, even for a second time.  By unnamed sources.

So, yes, I might be charged.  Doesn't make me guilty.  Read up on "indicting a ham sandwich."

I leave the expertise in knowing how UCMJ works to an expert.

Edited April 21 by brickhistory

[Sua Sponte]

2 minutes ago, brickhistory said:

Objection, Dr.

You note "accused a second time."  By these outlets using unnamed sources.

The SECDEF, has, on the record, denied the accusation.

Something like "innocent until proven guilty" comes to mind, but that's me and my old-fashioned ideas.

Today, apparently, it's enough to be accused, even for a second time.  By unnamed sources.

So, yes, I might be charged.  Doesn't make me guilty.  Read up on "indicting a ham sandwich."

He didn’t deny shit. He started throwing out ad hominems against former DoD officials. Innocent until proven guilty is for the jury/judge, probable cause gets you charged. 

Looks like some dissension within the GOP ranks. 
 

https://www.politico.com/news/2025/04/21/don-bacon-recommends-firing-hegseth-00301057

[brickhistory]

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He didn’t deny shit.

https://www.aol.com/news/pentagon-denies-reports-second-signal-154533696.html

 

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Looks like some dissension within the GOP ranks. 

https://www.politico.com/news/2025/04/21/don-bacon-recommends-firing-hegseth-00301057

 

Do tell:

https://www.politico.com/news/2025/04/16/david-hogg-dnc-00294660

 

Again, "unnamed sources" from outlets with very long, proven track records of telling porkies doesn't work for me to think someone guilty of malfeasance. 

Trust the science...

 

[Sua Sponte]

The link I posted had direct quotes from Sen Bacon. 

16 minutes ago, brickhistory said:

https://www.aol.com/news/pentagon-denies-reports-second-signal-154533696.html

 

Do tell:

https://www.politico.com/news/2025/04/16/david-hogg-dnc-00294660

 

Again, "unnamed sources" from outlets with very long, proven track records of telling porkies doesn't work for me to think someone guilty of malfeasance. 

Trust the science...

 

That statement doesn’t deny he did it either. It said there’s no classified information in a Signal chat, which is up for debate. 

[brickhistory]

It's Congressman Bacon, but let's not let little details get in the way...

[Biff_T]

If he leaked the info again, he should be punished accordingly.   

If he didn't, who cares?

 

 

[brickhistory]

https://www.usatoday.com/videos/news/2025/04/21/kristi-noem-says-she-was-robbed-at-dc-restaurant/83198394007/

Hey, Secret Service:

[Biff_T]

On 4/18/2025 at 8:11 AM, ClearedHot said:

The DNC is has self-immolated.

With party stalwarts like James Carville saying Democrats' 'top agenda ' needs to be bringing back Kilmar Abrego Garcia.

Seriously?

This is a strange hill to die on.   That guy us is a lump of human excrement.  Why on Earth would anyone fight so hard to bring an illegal alien gang banger back into the U.S.? 

Also, why do people tag swastikas on Teslas but support Palestine at the same time?  

Why is LA covered in homeless people and burned homes.  

Where did San Francisco's money go?

Where did LA's money go?  

Tards have ruined these once beautiful American cities.  

 

 

[Lawman]

Hey guess what? Both can be wrong. How many routine ups are going to be allowed by the SECDEF? I mean he makes PA videos doing PT with Rangers, so I guess he gets a bro pass.

When his inaction or Tomfuqery gets somebody demonstrably killed, maybe we can join you in burning his effigy. You had no problem with that unqualified except for one single criteria flop run the DOD despite mistake after deadly mistake for years. Bonus, that’s after he ran CENTCOM into the ground when he was actually in the job that apparently qualified him beyond the obvious optics.

Until then accept the fact that the normalization of security stupidity is now fully in place and every time somebody types “but her emails” a cyber fairy gets its wings.

Stuff like the actual 9 April shake up to the failed acquisitions process or the fact we are actually hitting the Houthis instead of playing whackamole with unmanned rocket launchers makes the fact he told his wife he won’t be home because he’s gotta stay for a brief a non issue for those of us that can be pragmatic.


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[17D_guy]

52 minutes ago, Biff_T said:

This is a strange hill to die on.   That guy us is a lump of human excrement.  Why on Earth would anyone fight so hard to bring an illegal alien gang banger back into the U.S.?

Depends if you think everyone deserves due process or just the people you want to have it.

Also an independent but co-equal branch of the government exercising its power as it sees appropriate. 

Pretty sure I heard about some guy that was a founding father saying something along the lines of "I disagree with what you say but defend you right to say it," as a right or something.

[blueingreen]

4 minutes ago, 17D_guy said:

Depends if you think everyone deserves due process or just the people you want to have it.

Also an independent but co-equal branch of the government exercising its power as it sees appropriate. 

Pretty sure I heard about some guy that was a founding father saying something along the lines of "I disagree with what you say but defend you right to say it," as a right or something.

I don't know the right answer, but how do you think we should approach this situation? The previous administration ignored all rules and norms in order to import millions of foreigners who should never have been here in the first place. Giving each illegal alien the time + resources required for a deportation hearing is quite literally impossible when we're dealing with a phenomenon of this magnitude. Where / what is our recourse? If the Supreme Court says we can't deport these people without going through a process which is logistically impossible, where does that leave us? A constitutional crisis?

[brickhistory]

45 minutes ago, 17D_guy said:

Depends if you think everyone deserves due process or just the people you want to have it.

Also an independent but co-equal branch of the government exercising its power as it sees appropriate. 

Pretty sure I heard about some guy that was a founding father saying something along the lines of "I disagree with what you say but defend you right to say it," as a right or something.

I ask this seriously, no snark or point scoring intended:  were you aware, and if so, were you cool with Obama ordering the Hellfiring of an American citizen and his 16 year old son, even though the guy was a terrorist?  He had no due process other than a Situation Room briefing that said, "he's a bad guy."  

I'm not sorry the guy's dead, but I said then, and do now, that it was wrong.

As to your "equal branch" point, I almost agree.  Supreme Court = POTUS = full Congress vote.

I don't agree that a district court should be able to impose a nationwide anything regardless of what political party occupies the other branches.  So I hope the Supreme Court finally ends that practice once and for all.  Will be better for all.

As to a mass invasion and due process, that's a thing.  I don't have a complete answer.  But if Biden can arbitrarily let them in, why can't Trump boot them out?  Biden granted "paroles" and "temporary refugee" status to hundreds of thousands of Haitians, et al.  Why can't Trump remove that grant?

[ClearedHot]

17 hours ago, Biff_T said:

This is a strange hill to die on.   That guy us is a lump of human excrement.  Why on Earth would anyone fight so hard to bring an illegal alien gang banger back into the U.S.? 

Also, why do people tag swastikas on Teslas but support Palestine at the same time?  

Why is LA covered in homeless people and burned homes.  

Where did San Francisco's money go?

Where did LA's money go?  

Tards have ruined these once beautiful American cities. 

They are going all in.

A New Mexico Democratic judge has resigned after an alleged Tren de Aragua gang member was arrested while living at his home.

[ClearedHot]

[tac airlifter]

19 hours ago, brickhistory said:

I ask this seriously, no snark or point scoring intended:  were you aware, and if so, were you cool with Obama ordering the Hellfiring of an American citizen and his 16 year old son, even though the guy was a terrorist?  He had no due process other than a Situation Room briefing that said, "he's a bad guy."  

I'm not sorry the guy's dead, but I said then, and do now, that it was wrong.

As to your "equal branch" point, I almost agree.  Supreme Court = POTUS = full Congress vote.

I don't agree that a district court should be able to impose a nationwide anything regardless of what political party occupies the other branches.  So I hope the Supreme Court finally ends that practice once and for all.  Will be better for all.

As to a mass invasion and due process, that's a thing.  I don't have a complete answer.  But if Biden can arbitrarily let them in, why can't Trump boot them out?  Biden granted "paroles" and "temporary refugee" status to hundreds of thousands of Haitians, et al.  Why can't Trump remove that grant?

Point of order: the 16-year-old son was not specifically targeted but was armed & at dinner with multiple named objectives. Also, he was killed by GBU54 is not a hellfire.  Also, whoever found/fixed then lazed those bombs did not know the 16-year-old son was there, but had they known they would have killed him anyway 🇺🇸⚔️

[brickhistory]

1 hour ago, tac airlifter said:

Point of order: the 16-year-old son was not specifically targeted but was armed & at dinner with multiple named objectives. Also, he was killed by GBU54 is not a hellfire.  Also, whoever found/fixed then lazed those bombs did not know the 16-year-old son was there, but had they known they would have killed him anyway 🇺🇸⚔️

Valid point of order.

But no due process for lethal punishment for two American citizens.

Again, well done to those carrying out the mission.  The planet is a better place with both the dad and the kid gone.

But no whining about an MS-13'er with multiple violent charges being sent back to his point of origin by mistake.  Any other country not in the US was valid according to the judge's original deportation order.  

[Lord Ratner]

I'm not sure I agree with the interpretation that illegals are subject to due process *for deportation.*

 

Wanna put them in prison? Yep, they get the chance to appear in court. But deportation is simply the cessation of illegal occupation. Like I said before, no American gets due process before the cops can stop you from actively committing a crime. 

 

I believe in following the supreme court, but I'm not sure I agree with the ruling. This issue (and several others) needs a full hearing by SCOTUS.

[Banzai]

Peoples lives are being shattered and destroyed by a mere allegation. Some are true and some are false. Some are old and some are new. There is no recovery for someone falsely accused - life and career are gone. Is there no such thing any longer as Due Process?

[uhhello]

What's funny is all of a sudden seeing all the articles written about foreginers getting the business at the border entries about their intentions and what not.  Those complaining have definitely not traveled outside the US.  Standard practice in ANY other country.

[Lawman]

What's funny is all of a sudden seeing all the articles written about foreginers getting the business at the border entries about their intentions and what not.  Those complaining have definitely not traveled outside the US.  Standard practice in ANY other country.

Yeah but we put a poem at the base of a big statue we were gifted so that’s like law or something…


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[Day Man]

3 hours ago, Lord Ratner said:

I'm not sure I agree with the interpretation that illegals are subject to due process *for deportation.*

how do you know they're illegal?

[BFM this]

1 hour ago, Day Man said:

how do you know they're illegal?

That would be, in essence, the extent of the process that they are due.  An officer in the field should be able to investigate and determine legal status fairly easily.  I can prove my legal status lickety split...I get to stay.  This idea that every alien should get hearings ad infinitum is absurd.

[disgruntledemployee]

27 minutes ago, BFM this said:

That would be, in essence, the extent of the process that they are due.  An officer in the field should be able to investigate and determine legal status fairly easily.  I can prove my legal status lickety split...I get to stay.  This idea that every alien should get hearings ad infinitum is absurd.

Unless you're born in East LA

 

 

[Lord Ratner]

4 hours ago, Day Man said:

how do you know they're illegal?

Buddy have you ever met a legal immigrant? My mother immigrated here in '61 and she still remembers her identification number. You think you just get a high five at the border and you're an American? There's documentation, paperwork, IDs.

 

"Prove you are here legally. You can use any of the many forms you were provided during your immigration, or just give us your information and we can look you up"

 

"Uhhh...."

 

It is remarkable how dumb everybody is willing to play rather than just admit this is a no-brainer.

[Banzai]

Narrator: “In this forum, you can watch active and retired military officers who have sworn an oath to the constitution and American institutions pontificate that the 5th/14th amendments and decades of legal precedent around them are okay to be ignored if it’s in the interest of their political goals. Fascinating!”

 

“Even one whose presence in this country is unlawful, involuntary, or transitory is entitled to that constitutional protection.”

https://www.law.cornell.edu/supremecourt/text/426/67

“It is true that aliens who have once passed through our gates, even illegally, may be expelled only after proceedings conforming to traditional standards of fairness encompassed in due process of law.”

https://www.law.cornell.edu/supremecourt/text/345/206

It’s not about supporting or not supporting MS-13 gang members - you guys are presenting an entirely false dilemma. It’s about supporting the constitutional right to due process.

Those who would give up essential Liberty, to purchase a little temporary Safety, deserve neither Liberty nor Safety.

Edited April 23 by Banzai