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[disgruntledemployee]

I'll bet Hilary did it as retribution for losing her security clearance.

[SurelySerious]

“The Trump Administration Accidentally Texted Me Its War Plans”
https://www.theatlantic.com/politics/archive/2025/03/trump-administration-accidentally-texted-me-its-war-plans/682151/?gift=kPTlqn0J1iP9IBZcsdI5IVJpB2t9BYyxpzU4sooa69M


Probably fake news

The Trump Administration Accidentally Texted Me Its War Plans - The Atlantic.pdf

[17D_guy]

Texted, not even a secure messaging platform. Thanks @SurelySerious for correcting.

What an absolute failure of...everything still stands.

Oh, in case you didn't know China's all up in the telecom shit. https://www.cisa.gov/news-events/news/joint-statement-fbi-and-cisa-peoples-republic-china-prc-targeting-commercial-telecommunications

BTW, one of the first things killed was the CISA's ability to investigate these giant breaches with subpoena power and name/shame where necessary. They did really good work on the State Dept's breach that Microsoft allowed to happen because MS didn't follow their own guidance - https://www.cisa.gov/resources-tools/resources/CSRB-Review-Summer-2023-MEO-Intrusion

The CSRB (Cybersecurity Review Board) was patterned after the NTSB, and was doing really great work. They were in the middle of investigating the China breach of telecom, but now that'll never finish or if it does it'll be years from when the findings will be impactful.

They've also killed the coordination groups for headed by DHS/CISA for coordinating among states/counties the threats to critical infrastructure - utilities, elections, etc.

This is a legitimate weakening of our nations ability to respond to attacks by nation states on critical infrastructure that is not federally controlled and fun fact: most of it isn't federally controlled. Cyber is very much a team game and losing this guidance and oversight is really crippling. It's hard for me to articulate how much we're losing as a nation with this neutering of CISA.

No proof opinion - I think it's because Trump and his cronies are upset DHS/CISA didn't parrot the stolen/hacked election from 2020 bullshit.

Edit - at work, just saw the byline and un-paywalled bit. Corrected the messaging platform, everything else is correct about the loss of CISA's capes.

Edited March 24 by 17D_guy

[SurelySerious]

Texted, not even a secure messaging platform. What an absolute failure of...everything.

Oh, in case you didn't know China's all up in the telecom shit. https://www.cisa.gov/news-events/news/joint-statement-fbi-and-cisa-peoples-republic-china-prc-targeting-commercial-telecommunications
BTW, one of the first things killed was the CISA's ability to investigate these giant breaches with subpoena power and name/shame where necessary. They did really good work on the State Dept's breach that Microsoft allowed to happen because MS didn't follow their own guidance - https://www.cisa.gov/resources-tools/resources/CSRB-Review-Summer-2023-MEO-Intrusion
The CSRB (Cybersecurity Review Board) was patterned after the NTSB, and was doing really great work. They were in the middle of investigating the China breach of telecom, but now that'll never finish or if it does it'll be years from when the findings will be impactful.
They've also killed the coordination groups for headed by DHS/CISA for coordinating among states/counties the threats to critical infrastructure - utilities, elections, etc.

This is a legitimate weakening of our nations ability to respond to attacks by nation states on critical infrastructure that is not federally controlled and fun fact: most of it isn't federally controlled. Cyber is very much a team game and losing this guidance and oversight is really crippling. It's hard for me to articulate how much we're losing as a nation with this neutering of CISA.

No proof opinion - I think it's because Trump and his cronies are upset DHS/CISA didn't parrot the stolen/hacked election from 2020 bullshit.

To be fair, it was on Signal, but the headline “signaled me their war plans” doesn’t translate as well.

https://y.yarn.co/67018d3b-731d-479a-aa96-dee85ccf4562_text.gif

^It’s Monty Python Jane Eyre in Semaphore, definitely not Rick Astley link

[uhhello]

“War plans”

Great optics the day after ranting about leaks from within DOD and govt.  

Edited March 24 by uhhello

[disgruntledemployee]

1 hour ago, uhhello said:

“War plans”

Great optics the day after ranting about leaks from within DOD and govt.  

I know. 

Trump hires only the best, top notch.... clowns.

Ironic that Pete says OPSEC in the texts, via a texting app.  Those dudes are a treasure trove for the PRC.

 

[Stoker]

On 3/22/2025 at 11:12 PM, SurelySerious said:

 

Some funny damage control. Probably just a fake news SecDef memo.

We aren't even going to point out that they spelled it "secertary?"

[Day Man]

are we great yet?🙃

[Standby]

To be fair, the previous admin was never at risk of leaking any secret war plans because none were made.

[StrikeOut312]

A part of me wonders if it was intentional. Or if the reporter has a similar name as someone that was supposed to be added to the group chat.

[brickhistory]

A.  If true, a massive fcuk up.

B.  Goldberg is a massive never Trumper who has written false stories before (suckers and losers fame)

C.  Given that, odd that he'd be on such an e-mail chain (never mind that classified being on such a unclass system)

D.  https://www.yahoo.com/news/trump-administration-revoking-legal-status-002259448.html

So, a potential, but not confirmed, mistaken leak of a classified plan, which can be redone.  Which we do all the time, or,

500,000 more illegals getting their 'get outta here' notification.

LFG!!

[SurelySerious]

A part of me wonders if it was intentional. Or if the reporter has a similar name as someone that was supposed to be added to the group chat.

He could totally be making it up, but I’ve also been on an email exchange between three and four stars where everyone was first naming it that a no-name captain definitely wasn’t supposed to be on.

[17D_guy]

55 minutes ago, brickhistory said:

A.  If true, a massive fcuk up.

B.  Goldberg is a massive never Trumper who has written false stories before (suckers and losers fame)

C.  Given that, odd that he'd be on such an e-mail chain (never mind that classified being on such a unclass system)

D.  https://www.yahoo.com/news/trump-administration-revoking-legal-status-002259448.html

So, a potential, but not confirmed, mistaken leak of a classified plan, which can be redone.  Which we do all the time, or,

500,000 more illegals getting their 'get outta here' notification.

LFG!!

It's been confirmed - https://apnews.com/article/war-plans-trump-hegseth-atlantic-230718a984911dd8663d59edbcb86f2a

 

Not sure what the "or" is and saying "which we do all the time" somehow alleviates this issue, or concern around what happened. But I guess if we talk about deportations instead it's ok?

[BashiChuni]

why the fuck would you invite a journalist to join a signal chat? i'd fire Waltz immediately

[Banzai]

Remember, the majority of this forum called for Hillary Clinton to go to prison when folks found out she was hosting a private messaging server for official business. I’m sure that there will be no double standards applied in this case.

On the other hand, everyone could just ignore it and raise tenuous points about how this story could be fake news (which has essentially already been done), even though the administration confirmed its veracity. 

[BashiChuni]

they're both bad, but the Hilary private server was EGREGIOUS

[brabus]

2 hours ago, Banzai said:

Remember, the majority of this forum called for Hillary Clinton to go to prison

She was processing TS//SAR material at home. Is that what got put out on Signal in this case?

As of now, I haven’t seen anything beyond some screenshots of who-gives-a-shit content.  Not saying this couldn’t end up blowing up into something really bad, but for now there’s a lot of hot air blowing around without evidence to back up the level of “rage” responses on SM/MSM. 

[Banzai]

2 hours ago, brabus said:

She was processing TS//SAR material at home. Is that what got put out on Signal in this case?

As of now, I haven’t seen anything beyond some screenshots of who-gives-a-shit content.  Not saying this couldn’t end up blowing up into something really bad, but for now there’s a lot of hot air blowing around without evidence to back up the level of “rage” responses on SM/MSM. 

What level are ATOs? You know that timing and location would be classified prior to execution of an attack. Additionally, in the Atlantic article, the editor clearly censored multiple texts.

Also, did you “see” any of Hillary’s screenshots? You have to understand you are entirely falling into a double standard because of political affiliation.

[brabus]

1 hour ago, Banzai said:

What level are ATOs?

So he posted an ATO on Signal to a journalist? Cool, go with evidence. I’m 100% open to anything being possible and am not at all saying said level of evidence couldn’t possibly surface in the future, I’m just saying it hasn’t as of now (that I’ve seen anyways, happy to take any and all point outs). I make zero judgments or opinions on this topic as of right meow, just stating there is a lot of hyperbolic reaction from the political opposition without supporting evidence. 

1 hour ago, Banzai said:

Additionally, in the Atlantic article, the editor clearly censored multiple texts.

LOL. Yeah, the Atlantic and this “journalist” are totally credible. Maybe they get something correct this time, but also maybe they don’t and it’s completely blown out of proportion for political reasons, which is their historic MO.

 

[ClearedHot]

7 hours ago, BashiChuni said:

why the fuck would you invite a journalist to join a signal chat? i'd fire Waltz immediately

I am guessing Hegseth used Signal as part of his former gig at Foxnews which would explain the links to journalists.  Also, Signal very popular in the SOF community...there is a whole Signal subculture.

Sending it to the wrong person is not the issue, sending classified plans on a non-approved network is the issue.  And if he did it he should be punished.

Legally Comey help set the precedent that it not a big deal when we all know it is.  It took intent from both Hegseth and Clinton to put that material on an unclassified network.  33,000 Hillary Emails had to be transferred off a classified network and copied onto an unclassified server, I never understood how Comey didn't see that as deliberate and with intent.  I am very curious how Hegseth's deal plays out...again if the details are correct (to include weapons loads), then it was a deliberate effort to take material off and unclass network (pictures or digitally copied), and put it on Signal...or did he type a note with the details...either way UNSAT, no excuses, time to be held accountable.

[ViperMan]

I don't know what they did or didn't send over Signal, so couch this in terms of hypotheticals.

*IF* actual plans were sent over signal, that's every bit as bad as Hilary's email server. It's sloppy as F and warrants resignations, and criminal charges. If we're gonna hang out to dry airmen who flex on whatever video game crew they play with by sending secret info, we sure as hell are gonna do the same if the SECDEF is being a sloppy MF.

That said, it's very likely this is more of the same blue-haired hyperventilating ala "January 6th was a coup d'etat."

[Smokin]

So far the only screen shots I've seen are solidly in the policy debate sphere and would hardly be considered classified.  Sloppy, but hardly worth the attention it has received.  If a "journalist" that clearly hates Trump and everything he does was really sent actual war plans (not debates), there is zero chance that he wouldn't have taken screen shots of all of it, let alone the most damaging sections. 

If someone has reputable sources of actual plans being shared, I'd be interested.  Until then, I'll consider this simply the continued ravings of a person infected with TDS posing as a journalist.  

[SurelySerious]

So far the only screen shots I've seen are solidly in the policy debate sphere and would hardly be considered classified.  Sloppy, but hardly worth the attention it has received.  If a "journalist" that clearly hates Trump and everything he does was really sent actual war plans (not debates), there is zero chance that he wouldn't have taken screen shots of all of it, let alone the most damaging sections. 
If someone has reputable sources of actual plans being shared, I'd be interested.  Until then, I'll consider this simply the continued ravings of a person infected with TDS posing as a journalist.  

Turns out those “policy debate” parts of how we view our partners/other nations and how we use that to arrive at our national security decisions are typically as or more classified than an ATO entry. Those things they’re discussing are some of the same types of things that are damaging from wikileaks cable leaks.

[Smokin]

20 minutes ago, SurelySerious said:

Turns out those “policy debate” parts of how we view our partners/other nations and how we use that to arrive at our national security decisions are typically as or more classified than an ATO entry. Those things they’re discussing are some of the same types of things that are damaging from wikileaks cable leaks.

Yes and no.  Those same debates are being done in the public sphere by those same individuals in the signal chat to the press at official press conferences and no one has claimed that those were somehow leaks.  Trump has repeatedly said that Europe needs to take a bigger role in their own security and defense, so that can hardly be classified.

If they had gone into detail like 'country A is a more important partner than B because of XYZ and this action is only going to help country B and country A doesn't want us to do it, so let's not' then I could see that being classified.  But simply saying that 'I don't know if we should do this because Europe needs to step up' is nothing different than they have said to the public repeatedly.  Did anything they said really reveal any capabilities, decision making processes, or really anything that would hurt us or our allies?  I didn't see anything that did.  Will our adversaries benefit from the 'leak'?  Not directly, but I would argue that they are benefiting from the circus that has erupted afterwards, but that is only due to the absurd reactions and is 100% on the media and the left.

I'm fully open to changing my mind if more info comes to light, but the screenshots shared so far are a big nothing.

[disgruntledemployee]

To those saying the screenshots are a nothingburger, do you want the reporter to release all the screenshots of what it thought to be quite classified info, to satisfy your opinion that is was bad to have such discussions on an unclass system?

Ah fuck it, the Chiners/Ruskies already have it, might as well tell the rest of the world.  I mean the texts aren't marked S, TS or anything.