Duck Posted May 1, 2015 Share Posted May 1, 2015 Just saw the news that 19th Air Force Commander was fired (resigned, lol) for inappropriate comments made in an Air Force forum. Anyone know what he said?http://www.airforcetimes.com/story/military/2015/04/30/19th-air-force-commander-steps-down/26632917/ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Butters Posted May 1, 2015 Share Posted May 1, 2015 "And the Doctor said.. Rectum? Damn near killed him!" Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bender Posted May 1, 2015 Share Posted May 1, 2015 I have no knowledge of what was said, but I bet a solid, "What a fucking drunk" within earshot of the panel would be good enough to generate this result. We'll find out the specifics eventually... Bendy Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Azimuth Posted May 1, 2015 Share Posted May 1, 2015 Didn't 19th deactivate a few years ago? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Right Seat Driver Posted May 1, 2015 Share Posted May 1, 2015 Didn't 19th deactivate a few years ago? Yes. http://www.jbsa.af.mil/news/story.asp?id=123310712 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
M2 Posted May 1, 2015 Share Posted May 1, 2015 Didn't 19th deactivate a few years ago? It did, but it was resurrected... 19AF was inactivated on 9 July 2012 as a cost-cutting measure by the Secretary of the Air Force. The command was reactivated on 1 October 2014 when it was determined that the cost-cutting measures did not reap the savings expected... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jughead Posted May 1, 2015 Share Posted May 1, 2015 (edited) Anyone know what he said? From the comments section of JQP's blog about it: "SAPR training obviously hasn't worked because every time I see McSally talk about A-10s I get a tent in my flight suit." Posted by "Jim Young"; you, sir, have won the internet for today!! Edited May 1, 2015 by Jughead Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ThreeHoler Posted May 1, 2015 Share Posted May 1, 2015 Apparently comparing the accused to 10,000 drunk <insert race> is not cool. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vetter Posted May 1, 2015 Share Posted May 1, 2015 Indians 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dupe Posted May 1, 2015 Share Posted May 1, 2015 I had a GO once tell me that the process to retire as a GO is insane. Maybe this guy figured it out... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Herk Driver Posted May 1, 2015 Share Posted May 1, 2015 (edited) It was not an inter webs "forum." ThreeHoler and Vetter got it, except there are one too many zeros. Edited May 1, 2015 by Herk Driver Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fifty-six & Two Posted May 2, 2015 Share Posted May 2, 2015 ThreeHoler and Vetter got it, except there are one too many zeros. Not according to the blog. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Herk Driver Posted May 2, 2015 Share Posted May 2, 2015 Not according to the blog. Then the blog must be right... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fifty-six & Two Posted May 2, 2015 Share Posted May 2, 2015 Then the blog must be right... Were you in the room and actually heard what Keltz said or are you just insinuating that the account given to TC is incorrect? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HerkFE Posted May 2, 2015 Share Posted May 2, 2015 MG Keltz...was he wing king at Salem back around 2004? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fifty-six & Two Posted May 2, 2015 Share Posted May 2, 2015 MG Keltz...was he wing king at Salem back around 2004? Yes, 04-05 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pawnman Posted May 2, 2015 Share Posted May 2, 2015 Apparently comparing the accused to 10,000 drunk <insert race> is not cool. Especially not BEFORE the court martial starts. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Azimuth Posted May 2, 2015 Share Posted May 2, 2015 Especially not BEFORE the court martial starts. It wasn't a court martial. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BFM this Posted May 2, 2015 Share Posted May 2, 2015 It wasn't a court martial. Which is interesting, because, as I read it, it should have gone that way. As in, the Captain should have said: "Ima let you finish, general, but I will take the court martial now, thanks" Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Azimuth Posted May 3, 2015 Share Posted May 3, 2015 (edited) Which is interesting, because, as I read it, it should have gone that way. As in, the Captain should have said: "Ima let you finish, general, but I will take the court martial now, thanks" The problem with that, minus the comment from Maj Gen Keltz, is that if he was found guilty there's much bigger punishment that could be given instead of one handed down from a Art 15. If he had any doubt (or the ADC/Defense) that he would be found guilty in a court martial, he was wise to take the Art 15. Edited May 3, 2015 by Azimuth 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dupe Posted May 3, 2015 Share Posted May 3, 2015 (edited) The problem with that, minus the comment from Maj Gen Keltz, is that if he was found guilty there's much bigger punishment that could be given instead of one handed down from a Art 15. If he had any doubt (or the ADC/Defense) that he would be found guilty in a court martial, he was wise to take the Art 15. An ADC could press for a court martial then file to get the whole thing tossed due to undue command influence. Edited May 3, 2015 by Dupe Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hacker Posted May 3, 2015 Share Posted May 3, 2015 An ADC could press for a court martial then file to get the whole thing tossed due to undue command influence. FWIW, the term is "Unlawful" command influence. Depending on the situation, it can be a very serious charge leveled at a Commander. That being said, ADCs also know that going to a Court-Martial is a very risky proposition if there is anything else in the respondent's history that could possibly be a detriment. Unlike in a civilian court, charges at a C-M can be modified, changed, or added to pretty much at the whim of the Government. While defense to a particuar charge may be relatively air-tight, the Government has the potential to go for the throat on something else (which is minor and unrelated to the primary event), especially if it is one of those catch-all charges like "conduct unbecoming" or "dereliction of duty". Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
guineapigfury Posted May 3, 2015 Share Posted May 3, 2015 The problem with that, minus the comment from Maj Gen Keltz, is that if he was found guilty there's much bigger punishment that could be given instead of one handed down from a Art 15. If he had any doubt (or the ADC/Defense) that he would be found guilty in a court martial, he was wise to take the Art 15. Sounds like the charged officer made the safe call. As an O, they can hit you less hard in an Article 15 than they can hit an E. A Court Martial can leave you with a criminal record, an Article 15 "just" ruins any chance for further promotion. Worst case they hit you with a fine equal to one months base pay. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HerkFE Posted May 3, 2015 Share Posted May 3, 2015 Yes, 04-05 Thanks. I thought the name sounded familiar. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Herk Driver Posted May 3, 2015 Share Posted May 3, 2015 An ADC could press for a court martial then file to get the whole thing tossed due to undue command influence. Except for the fact that by this point the accused has already elected to accept the Article 15 process. Then the accused also asked to make a presentation and that it be made public. Those decisions then get us to this point... Back to you regular sport bitching. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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