What's wrong with the Air Force?

[SurelySerious]

1 hour ago, brabus said:

Not to say shiny pennies who spend too much time out of a combat sq don’t exist, but this has not even remotely been my experience in the fighter world, at least post TAMI. 

He’s pretty spot on for GSC, which is half CAF half MAF monster in which we’re currently picking the worst traits of both to build culture 

[AC&W]

Yeah, and if big AMC can figure out our TDL capes instead of giving us off the shelf garbage, that might help as well. 

You can count on one hand the number of blue suiter TDL SMEs in the MAF, and they aren't at HQ.

[08Dawg]

23 hours ago, SurelySerious said:

He’s pretty spot on for GSC, which is half CAF half MAF monster in which we’re currently picking the worst traits of both to build culture 

I’d say it’s more a bastard child of ACC trying to live up to its grand pappy SAC but with a massive inferiority complex.  

Edited March 20, 2020 by 08Dawg

[SurelySerious]

1 hour ago, 08Dawg said:

I’d say it’s more a bastard child of ACC trying to live up to its grand pappy SAC but with a massive inferiority complex.  

I gave them the benefit of the doubt until they took Phoenix and turned it into Vista. Seems to be a program without a direction. Pathfinder even more so. Common theme of those? Not focused on having a tactically competent force. 

Edited March 20, 2020 by SurelySerious

[17D_guy]

On 3/19/2020 at 7:28 AM, jazzdude said:

Part of the problem is that many times either: your loggies have failed you (didn't build the requirement), or your unit hasn't communicated what you need to the loggies (bad requirements), or the loggies haven't communicated the business rules/what can be reasonable expected (bad communication).

All the services are guilty of this, but it seems to be worst with AFCENT because they seem to think "we own the cargo airlift, so we can do whatever with them."

Holy balls this is like dealing with CYBERCOM.  CYBERCOM - "We own you 24/7, and you need permission to do ADCON duties."  When we ask what we're supposed to do if we're not "operating" we get this:

O5-O9 - "Sprinkle some CyberOps over there."

Tactical/Ops Minion - "Yes sir, what's the effect you'd like?"

O5-O9 - "CyberOps?"

[Breckey]

I gave them the benefit of the doubt until they took Phoenix and turned it into Vista. Seems to be a program without a direction. Pathfinder even more so. Common theme of those? Not focused on having a tactically competent force. 

The Pathfinder program seems to produce personnel that are competent at being a general's aide.

[stuckindayton]

Question for the group.  I work at Wright-Patt where they fly people in from all over the country for IFC exams, tech training, flight doc training, etc.  So our exposure to Corona is a bit high.  Now they are telling us if we leave the local area (defined as the area between our home and work) we have to quarantine for 14 days before we're allowed back to work.  I've never experienced this before and it seems a bit illogical given that my highest risk for exposure is at work.  Has anyone else experienced this?  I understand the DoD can pretty much do what they want, but is this really legal?

[brabus]

12 hours ago, 17D_guy said:

Holy balls this is like dealing with CYBERCOM.  CYBERCOM - "We own you 24/7, and you need permission to do ADCON duties."  When we ask what we're supposed to do if we're not "operating" we get this:

O5-O9 - "Sprinkle some CyberOps over there."

Tactical/Ops Minion - "Yes sir, what's the effect you'd like?"

O5-O9 - "CyberOps?"

That’s Army 101, sorry “joint 101.” Inability to comprehend the idea of desired effect vs. emotional attachment to a specific platform/MDS/weapon. 

Edited March 21, 2020 by brabus

[FLEA]

16 minutes ago, stuckindayton said:

Question for the group.  I work at Wright-Patt where they fly people in from all over the country for IFC exams, tech training, flight doc training, etc.  So our exposure to Corona is a bit high.  Now they are telling us if we leave the local area (defined as the area between our home and work) we have to quarantine for 14 days before we're allowed back to work.  I've never experienced this before and it seems a bit illogical given that my highest risk for exposure is at work.  Has anyone else experienced this?  I understand the DoD can pretty much do what they want, but is this really legal?

In short, yes. If you are AD, the commander can lawfully order you to refrain from certain activities including travel. This is not normal and in 11 years in the military I've never seen it before to this scale. Usually curfews or temporary travel bans or night club bans are common, but this has been a bit extreme. I tell you this because undoubtebly this will pass and you will have a mostly normal life again at some point. But we are doing almost the same thing at our base. (Must remain within 1 hour of base). 

Edited March 21, 2020 by FLEA

[stuckindayton]

2 minutes ago, FLEA said:

In short, yes. If you are AD, the commander can lawfully order you to refrain from certain activities including travel. This is not normal and in 11 years in the military I've never seen it before to this scale. Usually curfews or temporary travel bans or night club bans are common, but this has been a bit extreme. I tell you this because undoubtebly this will pass and you will have a mostly normal life again at some point. But we are doing almost the same thing at our base. (Must remain within 1 hour of base). 

Thanks for the response.  I believe they are saying the policy applies to AD, civilians and contractors.  It's not that I'm personally opposed to the policy as I'm not leaving my house except to go to work and do the essential trips to stay alive (food, gas, alcohol).  I just thought it a bit draconian.

[daynightindicator]

Thanks for the response.  I believe they are saying the policy applies to AD, civilians and contractors.  It's not that I'm personally opposed to the policy as I'm not leaving my house except to go to work and do the essential trips to stay alive (food, gas, alcohol).  I just thought it a bit draconian.

Installation commander may restrict travel to AD folks at their discretion. The home/work commute verbiage is actually the AFI definition of local area.

My understanding (after working this at the unit level for the past week) is that leave travel of government civilians (GS employees) cannot be restricted, but *could* result in a situation where the individual is quarantined, and would not automatically be paid (individual could have to use personal leave/comp time, etc).

Contractors get their guidance from their companies, but installation commander could always restrict their base access.

Regular civilians (dependents, etc) are not subject to these rules but their actions could impact their sponsors (spouse travels to China, may result in quarantine for sponsor).

I learned a lot this week about all this and this is my best understanding.

Open for spears if anyone has other info. Crazy times indeed.

[stuckindayton]

33 minutes ago, daynightindicator said:

 

Installation commander may restrict travel to AD folks at their discretion. The home/work commute verbiage is actually the AFI definition of local area.

My understanding (after working this at the unit level for the past week) is that leave travel of government civilians (GS employees) cannot be restricted, but *could* result in a situation where the individual is quarantined, and would not automatically be paid (individual could have to use personal leave/comp time, etc).

Contractors get their guidance from their companies, but installation commander could always restrict their base access.

Regular civilians (dependents, etc) are not subject to these rules but their actions could impact their sponsors (spouse travels to China, may result in quarantine for sponsor).

I learned a lot this week about all this and this is my best understanding.

Open for spears if anyone has other info. Crazy times indeed.

 

Thanks.  I guess I just need to shut up and color.  I didn't agree with the policy, but it sound like we're keeping in step with Big Blue so I just need to accept it and move on.  Strange days indeed!

[SurelySerious]

11 minutes ago, stuckindayton said:

Thanks.  I guess I just need to shut up and color.  I didn't agree with the policy, but it sound like we're keeping in step with Big Blue so I just need to accept it and move on.  Strange days indeed!

It is definitely draconian. I just stumbled upon a tweet of (probably real) measures from 1918. It’s like a “can you spot the difference” exercise with what we are doing 100 years later. 

[stuckindayton]

Holy crap.  Who keeps copies of those things from 100+ years ago.

[SurelySerious]

15 minutes ago, stuckindayton said:

Holy crap.  Who keeps copies of those things from 100+ years ago.

College library. If it was like a personal account, it would be an obscure hobby that finally found its niche. 

[MC5Wes]

On 3/18/2020 at 2:23 AM, Springer said:

Nice! Panama?

Yes

I was at Howard from 84 to 90. Started out with a few O-2As and UH-1Ns. In 85 we got rid of those and got 20 OA-37Bs. 

 

After the Just Cause they gave away all of the aircraft. And closed the 24th TASS.

[FLEA]

https://www.stripes.com/news/europe/this-is-discrimination-germany-seeks-income-taxes-from-us-airman-because-he-s-married-to-local-woman-1.624553

The fact that his command isn't aggressively jumping in to protect him is really dissapointing to me. Having been stationed in Germany, I don't feel like the German government strongly appreciates our presence and we'd be better off moving our larger bases and hubs to Poland. 

[JTsundevil]

https://www.stripes.com/news/europe/this-is-discrimination-germany-seeks-income-taxes-from-us-airman-because-he-s-married-to-local-woman-1.624553
The fact that his command isn't aggressively jumping in to protect him is really dissapointing to me. Having been stationed in Germany, I don't feel like the German government strongly appreciates our presence and we'd be better off moving our larger bases and hubs to Poland. 

Look at the Navy to see what happens to leaders who stand up for their people...


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[arg]

On 3/17/2020 at 5:15 PM, MC5Wes said:

OA-37B My favorite aircraft to work on.

Where is this picture from? It's not Howard. Looks like someone is going to tear up some shit with BDU33s.

[MC5Wes]

This picture was taken at La Aurora airport  in Guatemala City. Around 87 or 88.  It was a great TDY till we had an NDI E-6 eject in the chocks after an incentive flight. 
The canopy almost took me out as it flew off and landing off to the side. The seat went up and about 100 feet forward. Landing on top of the guy still strapped in. 
 

He didn’t make it

Edited April 6, 2020 by MC5Wes

[17D_guy]

2 hours ago, MC5Wes said:

This picture was taken at La Aurora airport  in Guatemala City. Around 87 or 88. 
 

It was a great TDY till we had an NDI E-6 eject in the chocks after an incentive flight. 
 

The canopy almost took me out as it flew off and landing off to the side. The seat went up and about 100 feet forward. Landing on top of the guy still strapped in. 
 

He didn’t make it

Damn. For us no fliers - NDI and eject the chocks?

[Breckey]

A Mx troop ejected sitting in parking. The A-37 didn't have a 0-0 seat.

[MC5Wes]

This is a picture from Howard

 

 

 

[MC5Wes]

Howard the first couple days of Just Cause.

[Sprkt69]

9 hours ago, MC5Wes said:

This picture was taken at La Aurora airport  in Guatemala City. Around 87 or 88.  It was a great TDY till we had an NDI E-6 eject in the chocks after an incentive flight. 
The canopy almost took me out as it flew off and landing off to the side. The seat went up and about 100 feet forward. Landing on top of the guy still strapped in. 
 

He didn’t make it

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