Vimix22 Posted July 9, 2018 Posted July 9, 2018 1 hour ago, Fuzz said: Just remember we could still be part of the Army. Good god I hope they didn't make all the people who just returned participate in that run.
BFM this Posted July 9, 2018 Posted July 9, 2018 On 7/7/2018 at 11:09 PM, YoungnDumb said: AF answer- let's spend as much money as we can on a pointless cup that probably won't work but will involve 69 congressional districts Common sense answer- tell your people to put their drinks in a bottle with a cap. Government approved solution$.
MDDieselPilot Posted July 9, 2018 Posted July 9, 2018 7 hours ago, Fuzz said: Just remember we could still be part of the Army. As someone currently assigned to an Army unit - I'm not surprised at all. How anyone does 20 in that branch is beyond me.
brabus Posted July 9, 2018 Posted July 9, 2018 How anyone goes past their initial commitment in that branch is beyond me.
Guest Posted July 9, 2018 Posted July 9, 2018 How anyone goes past their initial commitment in that branch is beyond me.I’ve met some Army O-6s who probably couldn’t keep a job managing a Taco Bell, so the pay/job security probably keeps some in.
Azimuth Posted July 9, 2018 Posted July 9, 2018 6 minutes ago, ihtfp06 said: I’ve met some Army O-6s who probably couldn’t keep a job managing a Taco Bell, so the pay/job security probably keeps some in. Same applies to the USAF.
Guest Posted July 9, 2018 Posted July 9, 2018 Same applies to the USAF.Nah. An Air Force Colonel with an honorable service characterization could clearly manage an Apple store.
HarleyQuinn Posted July 9, 2018 Posted July 9, 2018 (edited) 5 hours ago, ihtfp06 said: I’ve met some Army O-6s who probably couldn’t keep a job managing a Taco Bell, so the pay/job security probably keeps some in. You didn't have to drop the 🎤 so hard. Daaaaaaamn! Edited July 9, 2018 by HarleyQuinn
SFG Posted July 9, 2018 Posted July 9, 2018 New Pilot Shortage interview with NPR https://www.npr.org/2018/07/07/626800470/air-force-faces-pilot-shortage.
brickhistory Posted July 10, 2018 Posted July 10, 2018 17 hours ago, ihtfp06 said: Nah. An Air Force Colonel with an honorable service characterization could clearly manage an Apple store. I think a better example would be a USAF O-6 would be an excellent manager of a Radio Shack... 1 1
The_Vandall Posted July 10, 2018 Posted July 10, 2018 Was just chatting with a coworker today about Air Force issues. For the past decade plus, the military had been in a situation where they felt they had too many folks. The common response to complaints was, "Well, if you don't like it, then get out!" Now, the military has too few folks, and they're starting to realize that they need to start fixing the things that folks complain about in order to keep people in service. The Air Force in particular has had an extremely difficult time transitioning from the "then get out!" mentality. Rather than realize that folks are in fact voting with their feet, the Air Force just tries to throw more money at them rather than deal with the real issues and complaints that folks have. 1
ThreeHoler Posted July 10, 2018 Posted July 10, 2018 They’re not even really trying to throw more money. $35k/yr barely brings the bonus in line with inflation. 1 2
SFG Posted July 10, 2018 Posted July 10, 2018 30 minutes ago, The_Vandall said: Rather than realize that folks are in fact voting with their feet, the Air Force just tries to throw more money at them rather than deal with the real issues and complaints that folks have. But the AF isn’t throwing money at anyone...
The_Vandall Posted July 10, 2018 Posted July 10, 2018 34 minutes ago, ThreeHoler said: They’re not even really trying to throw more money. $35k/yr barely brings the bonus in line with inflation. Agreed. $35K is not enough. I believe they tried to raise it higher ($42K or $45K I think), but it still wouldn't be enough. The insidious part of the bonus though is the ADSC that comes with it. For whatever reason, the Air Force seems to feel like it is perfectly fine to F over folks that are stuck with an ADSC.
ThreeHoler Posted July 10, 2018 Posted July 10, 2018 They asked for $60k a year and were denied. John McCain thinks we get paid enough. 1
MDDieselPilot Posted July 10, 2018 Posted July 10, 2018 Ironic on his part.. inflation adjusted, we get paid less than he did to fly. 1 3
HarleyQuinn Posted July 10, 2018 Posted July 10, 2018 5 hours ago, ThreeHoler said: They asked for $60k a year and were denied. John McCain thinks we get paid enough. He is the reason why the costs we pay out of pocket to cover rental housing expenses are increasing to what, 5% next year.
pawnman Posted July 10, 2018 Posted July 10, 2018 5 hours ago, ThreeHoler said: They asked for $60k a year and were denied. John McCain thinks we get paid enough. Back in McCain's day, you could just draft people to fill the gaps.
LookieRookie Posted July 10, 2018 Posted July 10, 2018 1 hour ago, pawnman said: Back in McCain's day, you could just draft people to fill the gaps. Or you cheat on your wife to marry an millionaire heiress. 1
HarleyQuinn Posted July 10, 2018 Posted July 10, 2018 1 hour ago, pawnman said: Back in McCain's day, you could just draft people to fill the gaps. The IPs at Corpus still chuckle to this day about him having to crash in the Corpus Christi Bay and almost drowning. I would have never heard about this happening if it weren't for those guys. And he didn't know his emergency procedures on his solo. Who needs to know that crap?
YoungnDumb Posted July 11, 2018 Posted July 11, 2018 Don't mock too much, the AF eliminated that requirement for T-6 students 1
Hunter Rose Posted July 11, 2018 Posted July 11, 2018 8 hours ago, ThreeHoler said: They asked for $60k a year and were denied. John McCain thinks we get paid enough. The McCain excuse is nearing an end, if not already there. McCain had decades of service, but his time is at an end. If the AF brass really wanted to push for more money for pilots, they could do it again. McCain doesn't even vote anymore due to his illness. The party line is still that a $35K pilot bonus is enough. It will be interesting to see the take rates when they start coming out. The will be abysmal and continue the trend of being lower than the previous year's take rate.
Homestar Posted July 11, 2018 Posted July 11, 2018 8 hours ago, MDDieselPilot said: Ironic on his part.. inflation adjusted, we get paid less than he did to fly. At least all of my flights have ended with me sleeping in either my own bed or a hotel. I’ve never stayed at Hilton that I wasn’t free to leave the next day. But yeah, he does seem to think we’re overpaid as it is.
FourFans Posted July 11, 2018 Posted July 11, 2018 On 7/9/2018 at 8:41 PM, ihtfp06 said: I’ve met some Army O-6s who probably couldn’t keep a job managing a Taco Bell, so the pay/job security probably keeps some in. As one currently working with Big Green and International Green: I think you're right...and those guys are still head-and-should above some of their international cohorts. I've seen several "leaders" here who couldn't hold down a job taking out the trash...anywhere...validated because I've witnessed them fail at that exact task...repeatedly. Yes, it could be worse.
HarleyQuinn Posted July 11, 2018 Posted July 11, 2018 (edited) Group exec submits two CGO packages for the Group. Other squadrons submit one package per unit. Group gets called out by awards board personnel. Group exec is triggered by my email. Email is fired off by Group exec saying the Gp/CC ultimately determines the winner for each category of packages. He said, "It's not fair these individuals at the Group have not been considered for any awards for a year. They don't have a squadron." Why the hell are you wasting my time grading these packages if the Gp/CC can do whatever he wants? I got other crap I could be doing. Edited July 11, 2018 by HarleyQuinn 1
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