November 21, 20178 yr 9 hours ago, flyusaf83 said: .... this Lt Gen will probably just secured his fourth star ... Already done long before now. Chuck
November 21, 20178 yr 14 hours ago, gearpig said: "appease our host nation?" Exactly. I spent 5 years there and love the Japanese people; but was always flabbergasted at how much we bent over backwards, many times at the cost of combat effectiveness, to “appease” the Japanese. I mean, Yokota’s biggest priority every year was the stupid static display festival. You want to know how many man hours that consumed?? In no way I am I implying that we shouldn’t be good ambassadors and respect the Japanese but at the end of the day, they lost the war they started and they would be target practice if it weren’t for American presence there.
November 21, 20178 yr Insanity. And it’s a precedent for the caliber of decisions to be made if the balloon goes up.
November 21, 20178 yr On 11/21/2017 at 1:11 AM, Champ Kind said: So is the restriction for Oki only or all of Japan? I recall similar restrictions years ago but it was only Oki--I don't remember it ever being USFJ-wide. The article says "Japan" but I thought it may be a typo. Not sure what would surprise me less at this point: crappy news reporting or an over-reaching punitive response. On Okinawa proper there is 0 going off base except if you live off base, and then its work-->Home, with some caveats. No drinking, even in your house with the windows shut and light provided by a single flickering candle as it fades slowly, a small but accurate metaphor for you hope and moral. If you make it to any of the outlying islands or Japan proper you can be out and about but still no drinking. Passes and local leave has been canceled, but leave off island is still gtg. And yeah this is to show that we "the Americans" care, and feel bad about what happened.
November 21, 20178 yr The target audience for this over reaction is not the US military, but the local Okinawan government. It's an appeasement to show we're doing something. It just sucks because leadership has to to couch it in terms of responsible drinking, etc, and can't come out and state the real reason for it.
November 21, 20178 yr 55 minutes ago, Hodor said: On Okinawa proper there is 0 going off base except if you live off base, and then its work-->Home, with some caveats. No drinking, even in your house .... How to give the appearance of doing something while actually doing nothing and get granted "forgiveness" by the people you've pissed off: Step 1: Ban alcohol and going anywhere off base. Step 2: Local businesses, namely restaurants all over Okinawa suffer immensely and complain to local officials. Step 3: Local officials/Governor of Okinawa inform base that's it's cool to release the animals (us) back into genpop. Oh, and Step 4: Japan based aircrews request permissive to conduct airline interviews and rush guard units.
November 22, 20178 yr 2 hours ago, joe1234 said: This is an interesting conversation. The answer is, if you're in Okinawa, you're just a pawn in a much bigger game being played. The government of Japan wants us there but has to placate the Okinawans and convince their own citizens to look the other way. Committing a crime -- any crime -- makes them lose face. So, the U.S. does curfews and punishments. It saves face at the cost of pissing off the pawns who justifiably bitch about it being unfair, but they are pawns and who gives a shit what pawns think. You guys complain about bad management and poor leaders, but the truth of the matter is, the vast majority of the military will eat shit and ask for seconds no matter how badly you treat them. You can't be that shocked that most leaders will take advantage of that fact. Uh huh, all the way until they give big blue the middle finger and laugh on their way to the bank at Delta/Southwest or any other private sector job. Treat your employees like pawns long enough and they’ll walk. You are right about the politics of Okinawa though, but the US military loses everything here. The government of Japan knows the military leadership will bow over backwards to appease them as indicated time and time again while shitting on their own. It’s only a matter of time before that can be exploited.
November 22, 20178 yr Political leadership 101: When you can't do something meaningful, do something visible. Edited November 22, 20178 yr by SocialD
November 22, 20178 yr USFJ just added on a curfew of 0000-0500 for all military, in addition to the alcohol ban. I never would have imagined I'd say this, but if anyone over there needs a little freedom come on out to Korea. Soju flows freely til 0100! zach braff
November 22, 20178 yr 11 minutes ago, zach braff said: Soju flows freely til 0100! There’s a curfew in Korea again?
November 22, 20178 yr 11 hours ago, joe1234 said: This is an interesting conversation. The answer is, if you're in Okinawa, you're just a pawn in a much bigger game being played. The government of Japan wants us there but has to placate the Okinawans and convince their own citizens to look the other way. Committing a crime -- any crime -- makes them lose face. So, the U.S. does curfews and punishments. It saves face at the cost of pissing off the pawns who justifiably bitch about it being unfair, but they are pawns and who gives a shit what pawns think. You guys complain about bad management and poor leaders, but the truth of the matter is, the vast majority of the military will eat shit and ask for seconds no matter how badly you treat them. You can't be that shocked that most leaders will take advantage of that fact. You have been exposed to the wrong community of the military if you believe this. The best officers I've served with have a lot of "fuck you and your fucking bullshit order" in them, and the best generals I have known, know this. Apparently though, you cannot draw sky dicks. Edited November 22, 20178 yr by matmacwc
November 23, 20178 yr Those Growler bros who drew the sky dick messed up in their message. Right away, it should have been a post on their social media: "To show solidarity with the Movember movement, we did our part to raise awareness for men's health." BOOM - it's a movement. Use the social welfare BS when it suits you. At trial: "WHAT? YOU'RE AGAINST MEN'S HEALTH??? GENDERIST!!!"
November 30, 20178 yr There it is: winner of the the dumbest fuckin rule of November, 2017. So there I was, finishing up my go-to workout set of warm-up, weights, pool, sauna. Like I've done a hundred times at this and other bases. Gettin my sweat on, a 1ea kakis and polo pops her nugget in the sauna, looks over at me, "Excuse me, could you please put a shirt on?" ...in the sauna? Time for this but no time to have towels available? Time to join the Y I guess.
November 30, 20178 yr 1 hour ago, BFM this said: There it is: winner of the the dumbest in rule of November, 2017. So there I was, finishing up my go-to workout set of warm-up, weights, pool, sauna. Like I've done a hundred times at this and other bases. Gettin my sweat on, a 1ea kakis and polo pops her nugget in the sauna, looks over at me, "Excuse me, could you please put a shirt on?" ...in the sauna? Time for this but no time to have towels available? Time to join the Y I guess. Sounds to me you need to change your work out routine, so you get a different response next time.
November 30, 20178 yr 4 hours ago, BFM this said: There it is: winner of the the dumbest fuckin rule of November, 2017. So there I was, finishing up my go-to workout set of warm-up, weights, pool, sauna. Like I've done a hundred times at this and other bases. Gettin my sweat on, a 1ea kakis and polo pops her nugget in the sauna, looks over at me, "Excuse me, could you please put a shirt on?" ...in the sauna? Time for this but no time to have towels available? Time to join the Y I guess. Was she hot?
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