What's wrong with the Air Force?

[Azimuth]

27 minutes ago, uhhello said:

I know.  Can you fix my phone?

What's wrong with it? Was it damaged when you help wreck that -60?

 

[matmacwc]

2 hours ago, Azimuth said:

Hi, I'm Ryan who made that post.

Too bad, this kind of thing happens when we are all assumed guilty right off the bat.

[uhhello]

Just now, Azimuth said:

What's wrong with it? Was it damaged when you help wreck that -60?

 

There it is.  Love it.  Enjoy your "top 25" job.  

[Azimuth]

19 minutes ago, uhhello said:

There it is.  Love it.  Enjoy your "top 25" job.  

If you only knew what I did, but you don't. It's nice being in an organization that actual values their people and invests in them. Not uses them until they burn out. The benefits are great too. 

You can talk shit, go run to AFEF and tell them how you were the keyboard warrior of the day. But there are other people, on this board no less, who went through something similar I did and they supported me along the way.

Enjoy the sinking ship.

Edited June 20, 2017 by Azimuth

[uhhello]

13 minutes ago, Azimuth said:

If you only knew what I did, but you don't. It's nice being in an organization that actual values their people and invests in them. Not uses them until they burn out. The benefits are great too. 

You can talk shit, go run to AFEF and tell them how you were the keyboard warrior of the day. But there are other people, on this board no less, who went through something similar I did.l and supported me along the way.

Enjoy the sinking ship.

Dude from day one you have been a big blue my Air Force cock is larger than yours.  You can't flip the script because you got dealt a apparently shitty hand.  Good luck in the future.  I'm out. 

[Duck]

So it seems like you two know each other.


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[Azimuth]

1 minute ago, Duck said:

So it seems like you two know each other.


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Well yeah, he's the FE to make sure you guys run checklists on -60's. I just work for a fruit company.

Edited June 20, 2017 by Azimuth

[matmacwc]

Apple, that was hard.

[Danger41]

1 hour ago, Azimuth said:

What's wrong with it? Was it damaged when you help wreck that -60?

 

JFC, you really have no issue coming in off the top rope, do you?

[sqwatch]

I love a good keyboard controversy. I hope we wring as much entertainment out of this before something bad happens


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[BashiChuni]

im so confused

[FUSEPLUG]

13 minutes ago, BashiChuni said:

im so confused

Yeah.  Makes me wonder how management is going to sweep this one under the rug.  Right now I envision a dozen execs at HQ/AMC/AETC hurriedly filtering their boss's e-mail before he checks his/her Blackberry (or whatever they use these days) while on he 7th hole. 

[Homestar]

This thread turned awesome real quick.

[Azimuth]

16 minutes ago, FUSEPLUG said:

Yeah.  Makes me wonder how management is going to sweep this one under the rug.  Right now I envision a dozen execs at HQ/AMC/AETC hurriedly filtering their boss's e-mail before he checks his/her Blackberry (or whatever they use these days) while on he 7th hole. 

Fairchild legal apparently is trying to accuse my ADC of giving me unteracted copies of evidence via discovery. Legal are the people who gave me the evidence 16 Jun 16 literally right after my Sq/CC charged me. They hand receipted it me. 

Then legal claimed I posted a bunch of privacy information online. However they can show what information I posted that violated privacy. They're upset they were so quick to give me the boot they didn't realize they lost jurisdiction of me the day before I sent the email.

Edited June 21, 2017 by Azimuth

[FUSEPLUG]

Your story makes a colonoscopy at the Deid seem like a day at the beach.

I look forward to seeing how this plays out. Solid work. 

Edited June 21, 2017 by FUSEPLUG

[ViperMan]

I'm not sure about anyone else but I, for one, am fvcking sick and tired of this latest trend of people (trolls) derailing/hijacking threads to whine or have a personal back-and-forth with an individual about their personal bull shit/dirty laundry. KITFO and take it off the thread. Have your slap fight via PMs.

Edited June 21, 2017 by ViperMan

[sqwatch]

This thread makes me feel like I'm the only one who doesn't personally know everyone else on this thread


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[GlassEmpty]

I'm not sure about anyone else but I, for one, am fvcking sick and tired of this latest trend of people (trolls) derailing/hijacking threads to whine or have a personal back-and-forth with an individual about their personal bull shit/dirty laundry. KITFO and take it off the thread. Have your slap fight via PMs.

To be fair, this started with some personal attack which is a bit ridiculous.

 

Anyone have any insight on if this is getting kicked around up top?

 

 

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[Bode]

Saw a screen grab showing that the AETC CC downloaded the docs. Either that or his minions.


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[Azimuth]

1 hour ago, GlassEmpty said:

To be fair, this started with some personal attack which is a bit ridiculous.

 

Anyone have any insight on if this is getting kicked around up top?

 

 

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Well the AETC/CC was the first person to download the evidence. I sent it via AMRDEC and had it setup to authenticate with CAC and to notify if anyone downloaded it.

[BashiChuni]

44 minutes ago, Azimuth said:

Well the AETC/CC was the first person to download the evidence. I sent it via AMRDEC and had it setup to authenticate with CAC and to notify if anyone downloaded it.

this is why the higher in rank you go the shittier your life...you have to deal with stuff like this

no thank you i'll just take a main order of flying with a small side of bs

and since you're airing it all out would you mind explaining to us simpletons your story/beef and what the hell is going on?

Edited June 21, 2017 by BashiChuni

[Azimuth]

1 hour ago, BashiChuni said:

this is why the higher in rank you go the shittier your life...you have to deal with stuff like this

no thank you i'll just take a main order of flying with a small side of bs

and since you're airing it all out would you mind explaining to us simpletons your story/beef and what the hell is going on?

Well sure, if you must know. I was a MSgt KC-135 Boom Operator at a base in the PNW.  I was recently divorced and paroled after four years imprisoned teaching in AETC.  I started banging an Amn Boom, who didn't work for me from Sep 2014 to Dec 2014, then stopped.  I hooked up with a SSgt Boom, who just happened to be friends and was the direct supervisor of the Amn, once Dec 2014 and once Mar 2015.  We remained friends, flew together, went TDY together, but we all were dating other people.  

A guy I know (SMSgt), who's been my boss twice, and I've been stationed with him for 12 straight years, found out about me banging these girls July 2015.  I was on leave and once I came back he told me the SSgt was at a part at his house and blurted out my sexual past.  I told him that it wasn't happening, hasn't happened in months, and we were all seeing other people.  January 2016 I deployed for six months as OGV at the Deid and during this time my "buddy" was in the Group Chief's office getting upset over work stuff.  He then decides he's going to play the deflection game and tell the Chief about my sexual past.  The Chief then asked some questions, my buddy realizes he's said too much, and the OG/CC directs a CDI on me for an unprofessional relationship.

The SSgt gets pulled into the Shirt's office and on a sworn statement was asked if she ever had sexual interaction with me, she wrote no.  She then called the Amn, who's at instructor upgrade at Altus at this time, told her they're investigating me for banging them, and that she lied.  The next day the SSgt went to the SARC, told her she lied, the SARC said she needs to tell OSI, so she does which makes it an unrestricted sexual assault report and now a OSI investigation.  She claimed that I randomly walked into her room at the Deid the first time we had sex, she was on Ambien, and we had sex, but she never told me no or stop or that she was on Ambien.  The second time we had sex she claimed that she wanted to prove to me that "she was in charge of her body and I couldn't make her feel that way again."  She claimed she never reported the alleged assault because she didn't want to be sent home and was trying to break her lease via SCRA.

The day after the SSgt alleged that I sexually assaulted her the Amn is pulled into the Shirt's office at Altus.  She's asked the same questionnaire about me.  When asked, under oath, if she ever had sexual interaction with me, she wrote no.  Then when she came back to here she claimed I always sexually harassed her.  I was brought home early, fired from my job, and sent to work in OGV pushing paper.  In May 2016 my Sq/CC suspended my AO's and I lost my flight pay.  June 2016 he preferred charges of Article 120, sexual assault of the SSgt, Article 93 Maltreatment of the SSgt and Amn for verbal sexual harassment, and Article 92 Dereliction of Duty for having an Unprofessional Relationships.  

During the time a TSgt, who used to work for me and banged these girls as well (he's a swinger, wife does cam porn), warned me of the investigation when it first kicked off, told me it was bullshit and he'd take the stand in my defense, these girls are liars, etc.  So imagine my surprise when I started to get Discovery evidence from the government and I see two statements from him saying I told him I raped these girls, things I never said or did, etc.

In June 2016 the Amn requests and Expedited Transfer to the midwest to be by her best friend and her hometown.  August 2016 I had my Article 32 hearing, which in today's sexual assault witch hunt for convictions, is a joke.  Both "complaining witnesses" didn't have to attend.  Previous to 2013 MCM changes they would've had to testify and thus be cross-examined.  It was about 30-40 minutes.  October 2016 the Convening Authority of a General Court Martial (18 AF/CC for me) referred charges against me.  December 2014 I had a motions hearing where all the girls were there, motions were hashed out, MRE 412 (Military Rape Shield Rule) issues were sorted out, etc.

January 2017 my General Court Martial started.  It was three days.  I pled not guilty to all charges and specifications.  I was acquitted of the sexual assault of the SSgt and sexual harassment of the Amn.  I was found guilty of the maltreatment of the SSgt cause we used to joke around sexually to each other and both specifications of unprofessional relationship.  I was sentenced to reduction to SSgt and a reprimand.

February 2017 I was notified I was being sent to a Administrative Discharge Board.  April 2017 I was told that I was to be separated and given a General Under Honorable Conditions discharge.  During this time the SSgt was told she had to go TDY, she said that wasn't going to happen, she was handed an LOC for not doing her job, next day she PCS'd to a Florida base.

15 June 2017 I was separated from the Air Force at 16 years, 3 months, 9 days.

 

[FourFans]

Azimuth, thanks for being candid and honest.  Rare to find these days when hearing about one's deeds and misdeeds.

Regardless the story (there are always two sides), even if half of this tale is based on miscommunication and misunderstand, it still sounds like the USAF's "fact finding" investigative capabilities haven't improved much since Mollygate.

A caution: Please be careful how much info you tell about these other people in a public internet forum.  Right or wrong, it wouldn't be difficult for an average joe to figure out exactly who all of them are with what you've given...yourself included. (for example, no need to tell who's a swinger and who does camera porn...completely irrelevant to your story).  I know it's your freedom of speech right to do so, but we also have a moral responsibility.  Please don't disregard that.

Tell the story, but protect the people.  There are serious wack jobs on the internet these days looking for EXACTLY this kind of info.

[Guest LumberjackAxe]

Azimuth... Damn dude, that's a whack story.

But seriously, I hope you posting all this in public forums doesn't come back to bite you in the ass. I saw you dropped ranks and names in that reddit post... I too like to live a risky lifestyle, but whew... I hope no one comes running back at you with a defamation or libel lawsuit or anything else that would make your life miserable!

Thanks for your service, thanks for sharing your story and being so candid about getting boned by the AF, and I hope whatever new career you have treats you better! Stay thirsty my friend.