What's wrong with the Air Force?

[sqwatch]

This thread is as painful to read as the WNBA is to watch, but it gives me something to do while I take a crap.


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[Guardian]

So if you were the AF in the middle of a pilot crisis would you be passing majors over for continuation? My buddy was just let go.


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[Guardian]

And paid him to leave too.


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[Weezer]

16 minutes ago, Guardian said:

So if you were the AF in the middle of a pilot crisis would you be passing majors over for continuation? My buddy was just let go.


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Is there more to the story?  MyPers strongly implies everyone "determined by the board to be fully qualified" will be continued.

Pilots (11X) are listed as a critical skill that will be offered continuation to 24 years.

[Chida]

Unless the guy was a criminal and given a dismissal thru a cm, given that we are supposedly in crisis, he should have been offered continuation. If he was not a criminal and not offered continuation, there's your evidence that the AF doesn't truly believe they're in crisis.


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[LookieRookie]

2 hours ago, Guardian said:

And paid him to leave too.


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Perfect he can go to a reserve unit, get a twice passed over waiver, and then be an airline pilot and keep his TR job.

[Guest]

Is there more to the story?  MyPers strongly implies everyone "determined by the board to be fully qualified" will be continued.

Pilots (11X) are listed as a critical skill that will be offered continuation to 24 years.

 

This. I don't know a single guy passed over for Major, let alone Lt Col, who wasn't offered continuation. I'm guessing the guy must have had a current UIF or a referral OPR or something to find himself in this predicament.

 

 

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[Guardian]

Not the shiny penny type but no criminal.


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[Motofalcon]

I know of two - the data is slightly old (right around fall '15 or spring of '16, can't exactly remember). One was an 11F, one was an 11B, both in white jets. Neither wanted to get out, and I bet that even if the AF had told them they were never going back to their MWS's but would just bounce around AETC (so very little money out of uncle suckers pockets, no T-X courses/requals) they would've been totally happy with that. Instead we lost two dudes and had two more slots to fill from somewhere else. 

I realize the shortage discussion has somewhat picked up since then, but even back then everyone I knew at afpc was talking about it and saying how it was about to get really bad - and then they kicked out those two guys.  

[17D_guy]

46 minutes ago, Motofalcon said:

I realize the shortage discussion has somewhat picked up since then, but even back then everyone I knew at afpc was talking about it and saying how it was about to get really bad - and then they kicked out those two guys.  

AFPC - "Look, I realize it's going to get bad soon, but our process says we've got to kick these guys out.  So that's what we're going to do, because here in AFI 69-8008, flowchart 2 it says to kick them out unless we waive them.  Waivers can take...like...weeks.  So we'll just follow the process."

[Hacker]

It wasn't that long ago that there wasn't any such thing as a strat on an OPR...and somehow people still got promoted and had cool jobs (oh, and flew airplanes providing combat airpower too).

[Duck]

Good news guys! The pilot shortage is over, or at least that's what I am assuming as all my buddies with "P"s got passed over! UFB!

A couple of my non-rated friends with "P"s got promoted though...
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[jazzdude]

Good news guys! The pilot shortage is over, or at least that's what I am assuming as all my buddies with "P"s got passed over! UFB!

A couple of my non-rated friends with "P"s got promoted though...
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Nah, it's just cheaper to keep pilots as continued captains. Plus they can fix the glitch again once there's no more shortage by stopping continuation since it's only a yearly extension up to a specified max. It's not like pilots have any better job opportunities outside of the military right now...

[Guest]

8 hours ago, Guardian said:

Not the shiny penny type but no criminal.


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Gotcha, I'm still guessing there's something your friend isn't telling you.  I've known one passed over for O-4, and one to O-5, and neither was exactly eager to advertise the why.  It's a shame, really, because both of them were great bros and mentors to the younger guys, and informally provided the leadership the AF is sorely lacking.  The one mistake Air Force still exists; unless you're an HPO (in which case you can phuck up as often as you like).

[VMFA187]

7 hours ago, ihtfp06 said:

Gotcha, I'm still guessing there's something your friend isn't telling you.

Do you guys not get automatically passed for not doing PME? Our distance PME, EWS, is a two year program and a number of guys who are not complete - Purposely or not, despite being great in all other aspects, have been and continue to be passed over for O-4.

[Champ Kind]

13 minutes ago, VMFA187 said:

Do you guys not get automatically passed for not doing PME? Our distance PME, EWS, is a two year program and a number of guys who are not complete - Purposely or not, despite being great in all other aspects, have been and continue to be passed over for O-4.

Simple answer:  lack of BVR PME all but takes you out of the running for a "DP" on your PRF to O-5 (LAF), which automatically takes you down to about a 50/50 chance of promotion.  

[Weezer]

1 hour ago, VMFA187 said:

Do you guys not get automatically passed for not doing PME? Our distance PME, EWS, is a two year program and a number of guys who are not complete - Purposely or not, despite being great in all other aspects, have been and continue to be passed over for O-4.

Even passed over he should have been offered continuation...

[BFM this]

1 hour ago, Champ Kind said:

Simple answer:  lack of BVR PME all but takes you out of the running for a "DP" on your PRF to O-5 (LAF), which automatically takes you down to about a 50/50 chance of promotion.  

It takes you a lot lower than that.  P without IDE is a rare select indeed.

[Guest]

Any idea if continuation stats will be released? How in the holy hell can we have gone from leadership hinting at stop-loss to non-continuing Majors??? Did somebody not get the phucking memo that we are short, and only going to get shorter, on pilots?


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[The_Vandall]

I don't think the AF ever posts continuation stats.

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[JarheadBoom]

3 hours ago, ihtfp06 said:

How in the holy hell can we have gone from leadership hinting at stop-loss to non-continuing Majors??? Did somebody not get the phucking memo that we are short, and only going to get shorter, on pilots?

Sir/Ma'am,

Thank you for your concern.  AFI 13-6969 only directs us to look at x, y, and z when determining continuation.  The AFI doesn't direct us to look at AFSC when determining continuation, therefore we do not.  Given the complex nature of continuation, it would be unrealistic to expect perfection.  May I suggest you refer your concerns about the AFI to it's OPR?  You can find that information on the cover page of AFI 13-6969.

R/S,

SrA Shoeclerk McDilligaf

Edited May 24, 2017 by JarheadBoom
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[ThreeHoler]

JarheadBoom has it 100% correct. "Sorry, sir, we didn't actually read or follow the PSDM and just generated 'fuck you get out of the AF' letters to these guys."

I don't know about the first dude who was not offered continuation, but the two dudes I know were "just" given the wrong letter by a GO. Turns out they were actually continued.

[LookieRookie]

53 minutes ago, ThreeHoler said:

JarheadBoom has it 100% correct. "Sorry, sir, we didn't actually read or follow the PSDM and just generated 'fuck you get out of the AF' letters to these guys."

I don't know about the first dude who was not offered continuation, but the two dudes I know were "just" given the wrong letter by a GO. Turns out they were actually continued.

So now since they have a signed non-continuation letter could they take the involuntarily separation pay now?

[RTB]

1 hour ago, ThreeHoler said:

I don't know about the first dude who was not offered continuation, but the two dudes I know were "just" given the wrong letter by a GO. Turns out they were actually continued.

How on God's green earth does a GO and their staff screw that up??  That's a pretty glaring mistake that I'm sure caused a few days of serious angst for those dudes.  UFB.

Edited May 24, 2017 by RTB

[Duck]

AF standard. The bar they hold for everyone else is one they are incapable of meeting themselves.


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