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[Smokin]

The type 14 was actually a decent pistol.  The one shown was made mid-way through the war or later (you can tell by the enlarged trigger guard).  Clearly not in the same ballpark as the 1911, but much better than the POS they issued towards the end of the war:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Type_94_Nambu_pistol

[brabus]

The ATF is finally going to eForms supposedly by the end of the month. This means far easier filing and should result in much shorter wait times. If you’re thinking about buying an NFA item, Jan should be a good month to do it!

[Buddy Spike]

25 minutes ago, brabus said:

The ATF is finally going to eForms supposedly by the end of the month. This means far easier filing and should result in much shorter wait times. If you’re thinking about buying an NFA item, Jan should be a good month to do it!

The NFA should be abolished along with the ATF.

[arg]

Not a gun article but near my home turf.

https://www.deeranddeerhunting.com/content/articles/deer-news/video-bowhunter-films-giant-gator-in-the-woods?fbclid=IwAR33xdWsNNFzI3s7iOQU4EYoSqfIX0mM--023LzJaq2Iv_RXAX0WE2Bokvg

[RegularJoe]

Does anyone have input on 22-250?

Co-worker of mine loves this round for woodchuck, Prarie dogs, squirrels.  Ballistics seem fun, wondering if it's worth the add since I already have .22 .22 mag and .223

[SocialD]

21 minutes ago, RegularJoe said:

Does anyone have input on 22-250?

Co-worker of mine loves this round for woodchuck, Prarie dogs, squirrels.  Ballistics seem fun, wondering if it's worth the add since I already have .22 .22 mag and .223

 

I grew up shooting a Rem 22-250 at groundhogs and coyotes.  Ballistics wise, it's superior to the 223 and having shot a bunch of 223 and a bit of 17HMR, 222 and 220 swift, I found the 250 a better round for the mission.  Aside from the fact that you can never have too many guns, it probably isn't big enough difference to justify since you already have a 223.  If your 223 is a semi-auto and you're looking for a nice bolt-action rifle, then I'd definitely pick one up.  

 

[Smokin]

I have previously been of the mindset of ammunition simplicity for logistics purposes.  I had a single caliber of handgun, a total of 4 calibers of rifle, an only 12 gauge for the scattergun.  The recent ammo shortage has actually pushed me in the opposite direction, so I've doubled my calibers.  That way when the store is out of 30-06, I buy 6.5 Creed.  When they're out of both, they usually have some for my AK or 300 blk.

So, short story long, might be worth picking up the rifle if you're even considering it as maybe there will be the 22-250 when there is no 223.

[HeloDude]

16 hours ago, Smokin said:

I have previously been of the mindset of ammunition simplicity for logistics purposes.  I had a single caliber of handgun, a total of 4 calibers of rifle, an only 12 gauge for the scattergun.  The recent ammo shortage has actually pushed me in the opposite direction, so I've doubled my calibers.  That way when the store is out of 30-06, I buy 6.5 Creed.  When they're out of both, they usually have some for my AK or 300 blk.

So, short story long, might be worth picking up the rifle if you're even considering it as maybe there will be the 22-250 when there is no 223.

I think you and anyone else should have as many firearms/as much ammo as they desire and can afford.  So I’m all about you and others getting firearms of less common calibers, but not for the reasons you listed.

While some of the most common/popular calibers are typically the first to fly off the shelves during a scare, they’re also the ones to quickly come back and are still relatively cheaper than the less common calibers you mentioned.  Also, during a crisis, ammo can easily be traded for other goods…harder to barter ammunition of less common calibers.

For instance, take your 6.5 Creedmor…a quick search shows current prices are around $2.15/round for decent quality brass.  But you can also get .308 of similar quality for less than half that price.  So right now would you rather spend $1K and have over 1K rounds of .308 (that can be easily traded) or spend that same amount of money for less than 500 rounds of 6.5 (that can’t as easily be traded)?  And yes, I know comparing 6.5 Creedmor to .308 is not apples to apples, ballistic coefficients, etc, but they’re both considered medium-powered cartridges.

I think ammo prices will come down a little more over the next year or so (assuming no other events that cause another scare anytime soon), but inflation is not going to let us see prices of 2018-2019…so hopefully that’s when you and others stocked up.  The bigger lesson here is to have a large supply of ammo so when ammo is hard to find, you’re gtg.

Nutnfancy (who I somewhat still follow, though there are much better) had a good video on this same topic when recently comparing .300 blackout vs 7.62x39.  Now grant it this was before Biden put the squeeze on ammo from Russia, but the philosophy still holds.

 

[M2]

Sorry, HeloDude, but Nutnfancy is a complete fucking idiot who I quit watching years ago!

I get your point, and it's a valid one; but using him as an "expert" on the topic negates your otherwise sensible argument.  

There are so many things wrong in that 45 minute video (TL:DW) that even when I tried skipping through it, I still had to endure stupidity at a level no one should put on U-Tube.

Plus, anyone who hasn't learned to "buy it cheap and stack it deep" by know deserves to be in an ammo panic. 

I do agree prices and availability will get better; but we've already had too many of these "scares" to not have learned the lesson by now. 

Anyone who failed to do so will simply be weeded out if the real need ever arises.  

Tough for them.

[HeloDude]

M2,

Agreed on everything you just said except when you made those meanie remarks about me watching Nutnfancy…after all, he is a retired Lt Col, so he’s automatically pretty smart, right?  Haha.  I watch 2-3 videos of his per year, if that, though I did agree a lot of what he said in this video—mainly the part that he said if you’re going to say X rifle with Y caliber is your go-to gun, etc, then you better have quite a bit of Y ammo on hand.  

But you do bring up a good discussion:  Who do you guys follow for firearms advice/entertainment?  I like MrGunsngear, TBF TV, Military Arms Channel, and Garand Thumb.  I know there are others (to say the least), but with my limited time to devote to some reviews/discussions that peak my interests, these are my go-to.

Edited December 30, 2021 by HeloDude

[M2]

HeloDude

Honestly, like you unless something interesting shows up in my feed, there's not many I watch or actually follow on YouTube.

Garand Thumb does some interesting videos, and I know his background so there's some validity to his comments. 

Hickok45 is always entertaining.  He's like many older Texas gentlemen I've met over the years that can talk your ears off about guns, and it's always an education.

Nutnfancy is irritating.  As if telling people to stock up on ammo is some kind of epiphany!   Worse of all, he's not even entertaining!

Other than Garand Thumb and Hickok45, I watch more Doug Demuro than anything else...

[ClearedHot]

13 hours ago, M2 said:

Plus, anyone who hasn't learned to "buy it cheap and stack it deep" by know deserves to be in an ammo panic.

How much is "deep"? 

I thought I was a bit overboard with 10,000 .22, 4000 .45, 5000 9MM and 10,000 .223 until I discovered a friend who purchased 100,000 .223 just as the Pandemic was starting.  I am a much better shot than him so I guess I always have a back up stash if things go way south.  🙂

[brabus]

100K 223! Man do I feel like a rookie now. 

[pbar]

Paul Harrell (https://www.youtube.com/channel/UC6QH13V2o68zynSa0hZy9uQ) is the most informative gun channel on Youtube IMHO, besides Forgotten Weapons. 

[HeloDude]

3 hours ago, ClearedHot said:

How much is "deep"? 

I thought I was a bit overboard with 10,000 .22, 4000 .45, 5000 9MM and 10,000 .223 until I discovered a friend who purchased 100,000 .223 just as the Pandemic was starting.  I am a much better shot than him so I guess I always have a back up stash if things go way south.  🙂

That’s really interesting!  What else do you have?

[ClearedHot]

Nothing now, it all fell in the ocean, from my boat, that I don't own.

 

[M2]

4 hours ago, ClearedHot said:

How much is "deep"? 

You can only have too much ammo if you're swimming or on fire!

A buddy of mine told me about a guy he knows who has a shipping container full of ammo buried on his property south of San Antonio. 

Of course, that's all he told me! 😉

[Swizzle]

Edited December 31, 2021 by Swizzle
Link fix

[ClearedHot]

18 hours ago, M2 said:

You can only have too much ammo if you're swimming or on fire!

A buddy of mine told me about a guy he knows who has a shipping container full of ammo buried on his property south of San Antonio. 

Of course, that's all he told me! 😉

Whats you address again?

[arg]

Funny/sad part highlighted in red.

San Jose is first U.S. city to mandate gun owners carry insurance and pay a fee

Within minutes of the vote, a federal lawsuit was filed to challenge the ordinance

By MAGGIE ANGST | mangst@bayareanewsgroup.com | Bay Area News Group
PUBLISHED: January 25, 2022 at 10:35 p.m. | UPDATED: January 26, 2022 at 9:17 a.m.
San Jose firearm owners will soon be subject to new gun control laws that no U.S. citizen has faced before — that is, if the divisive regulations are held up in court.
In two separate votes, the San Jose City Council on Tuesday night passed a first-of-its-kind ordinance requiring residents who own a gun to carry liability insurance and pay an annual fee aimed at reducing gun violence.
Proponents like Mayor Sam Liccardo acknowledged that the two-pronged ordinance will not affect residents who unlawfully own guns. However, they argue that it will incentivize safer gun ownership, reduce the public cost of gun violence and provide resources and services for residents who are most affected by the use of guns — those who own a firearm or live in a home or are in a relationship with someone who does.
“The point is we can reduce a lot of harm and tragedy and pain, even if we’re not going to magically make a gun fall out of the hands of the crook,” Liccardo said.

Within minutes of the vote, the National Association for Gun Rights and San Jose resident Mark Sikes filed a federal lawsuit against the city arguing that the ordinance is unconstitutional and violates both state and city laws.
“The ordinance does not serve it claimed purpose or any other valid purpose,” the suit states.
Councilwoman Dev Davis dissented on both items, saying that she believed the measures would be ineffective and might even be unconstitutional. Councilmembers Matt Mahan and Pam Foley voted against the fee system, voicing concerns about some of its ambiguity.
The council’s decision came more than two years after Liccardo first unveiled his proposal for the ordinance, and after hearing from nearly 100 speakers on both sides of the debate during Tuesday night’s meeting. While supporters saw the ordinance as an “innovative, nonburdensome way to reduce gun violence,” opponents called it “financial and bureaucratic harassment” and a policy that “taxes law-abiding citizens” while “distracting the city from going after criminals.”
Liccardo initially pushed for these gun control measures in the wake of the mass shooting at the Gilroy Garlic Festival in 2019 where four people, including two San Jose children, were gunned down by a man who cut through a security gate. He then reignited the effort last summer following the Bay Area’s deadliest mass shooting at a VTA rail yard.

“When we think about the horrible shooting at the VTA and so forth, I don’t pretend to know if we could have stopped it or not,” Liccardo said. “But if, in fact, we could have delivered some mental health services, there may have been a chance.”
The new ordinance, which is set to take effect in August, requires that all San Jose residents who own a gun obtain a homeowner’s, renter’s or gun liability insurance policy that specifically covers losses or damages resulting from negligent or accidental use of their firearm.
Additionally, gun owners will be asked to pay an annual fee of between $25-$35 to a nonprofit organization that will be established to manage the funds and distribute them to groups who will offer various services to residents who own a firearm or live with someone who does. Those services will include suicide prevention programs, gender-based violence services, mental health and addiction services, and firearm safety training, according to the city’s ordinance.
“There’s a lot more to gun violence than mass shootings and homicides, and that’s one of the things that gets lost,” said councilmember David Cohen. “… A large number of incidents are things that happen in the home and what we’re focused on here is to try and reinforce responsible gun ownership.”
Under the city’s vision for the ordinance, the nonprofit will send out letters through the Department of Justice database to registered gun owners who live in San Jose asking them to pay the annual fee. Once a payment is made, the nonprofit will send the gunowner a form with their proof of payment and a space on the form to fill out their insurance information. Gun owners will be required to carry or store a copy of the paperwork with their firearm, according to the mayor.
Residents who are exempted from the ordinance include sworn, active reserve or retired police officers, people who have a license to carry a concealed weapon, and low-income residents facing financial hardships.
Failure to abide by the law could result in a civil fine or temporary forfeiture of a firearm. Officers will not be going door to door searching for offenders but solely be checking for proof of payment and insurance if they come across a firearm during an investigation, according to San Jose Police Chief Anthony Mata.

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Most opponents argued that the ordinance punishes and taxes law-abiding gun owners while allowing criminals with unregistered guns to fly under the radar.
“This movement attacking our Second Amendment (rights) arises when a mass shooting occurs but San Jose had been unable to protect its citizens from these maddening criminals and is instead is going after middle-class law-abiding gun owners,” said resident Cindy Fulk. “Holding 55,000 gunowners responsible for the city’s failure to protect us is shameful.”
Proponents, however, argued that the ordinance gave San Jose the opportunity to take a lead and enact laws that other cities could follow to prevent harm caused by firearms in their communities.
Karen Pandula, a mother of a 20-year-old who was shot and killed in San Jose, said she believed this ordinance would make a “positive difference” and “prevent other families from suffering from gun violence.” Pandula’s daughter, Kristina, and her boyfriend, Eric Kenzo Otokawa, 21, were killed by a gunman at Otokawa’s downtown San Jose apartment in 2011.
The new ordinance is the city’s latest attempt to lessen the impact of gun violence and unintentional shootings in San Jose. The city council last year unanimously adopted a new gun law that requires retailers to video-record all firearm purchases. In 2017, city leaders narrowly approved a measure that mandates gun owners to lock up their firearms when they leave the home.

 

 

Edited January 26, 2022 by arg
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[disgruntledemployee]

And here I thought Texans love freedom more than anything.  Not very freedom like, if you ask me.

[CaptainMorgan]

And here I thought Texans love freedom more than anything.  Not very freedom like, if you ask me.

Somebody failed geography.


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[pawnman]

12 hours ago, disgruntledemployee said:

And here I thought Texans love freedom more than anything.  Not very freedom like, if you ask me.

Do you really not know where San Jose is?

[M2]

17 hours ago, disgruntledemployee said:

And here I thought Texans love freedom more than anything.  Not very freedom like, if you ask me.

Ummm....

[nsplayr]

https://www.militarytimes.com/off-duty/military-culture/2022/02/01/boy-reels-in-50-caliber-barrett-sniper-rifles-while-fishing/
 

Alright, fess up, which one of y’all *actually* lost your expensive guns in a tragic boating accident? 😅 Of course it’s in Florida haha…