Danny Noonin Posted April 3, 2012 Share Posted April 3, 2012 I'm tired of the dumb copies of the Dear Boss Letter. Just what exactly are you talking about Willis? Is there a Dear Boss reference in here somewhere that I missed or did you just need to get that off your chest? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Napoleon_Tanerite Posted April 3, 2012 Share Posted April 3, 2012 We had guys getting tasked by home station while TDY to SOS...I can't imagine it will be any better when their leadership can actually harass them in person. I've seen people expected to return home on weekends to do work (3 hour drive one way). IMO that should be an IG issue Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ram Posted April 3, 2012 Share Posted April 3, 2012 Just what exactly are you talking about Willis? Is there a Dear Boss reference in here somewhere that I missed or did you just need to get that off your chest? He's talking about the "Dear SOS" letter several pages ago. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Danny Noonin Posted April 3, 2012 Share Posted April 3, 2012 Copy. Disregard previous. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Skitzo Posted April 13, 2012 Share Posted April 13, 2012 Holy crap, yesterday Air Force AFPC briefing, AFPC admitted to royally dicking up the VSP / RIF process. They underestimated how many pilots were going to apply, senior leaders best guess was nowhere near the actual. We all knew this was the case but to admit it... haven't heard it before. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BQZip01 Posted April 13, 2012 Share Posted April 13, 2012 Holy crap, yesterday Air Force AFPC briefing, AFPC admitted to royally dicking up the VSP / RIF process. They underestimated how many pilots were going to apply, senior leaders best guess was nowhere near the actual. We all knew this was the case but to admit it... haven't heard it before. more details pls. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Napoleon_Tanerite Posted April 13, 2012 Share Posted April 13, 2012 Holy crap, yesterday Air Force AFPC briefing, AFPC admitted to royally dicking up the VSP / RIF process. They underestimated how many pilots were going to apply, senior leaders best guess was nowhere near the actual. We all knew this was the case but to admit it... haven't heard it before. She still didn't even answer my question though-- is the Air Force doing ANYTHING to prevent it from happening again? It sounded like AFPC was shocked that so many people wanted to get out from under a crushing ADSC. The reason that retention is high among junior pilots is because we have no choice! When shown the door it should be no surprise how many people ran for it. I'm not saying I'm trying to get out, but I saw a LOT of dudes ride that roller coaster. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Karl Hungus Posted April 13, 2012 Share Posted April 13, 2012 Link? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Napoleon_Tanerite Posted April 13, 2012 Share Posted April 13, 2012 (edited) Link? No link, this was from a mass briefing at SOS by the Assignments O-6 from AFPC yesterday. Other gems: 1. Intel dude asked what was going to happen when the economy improved and retention dropped, thus causing an even larger exodus from intel. The answer was basically to rob peter to pay paul-- force crossflow people from other AFSCs to fill intel. 2. Coming soon: no more 3 day opt on ITDYs. You will go, and you will not have a say in the matter. Overall it was a good brief, but it's shocking with what is going on with some of the personnel stuff. Edited April 13, 2012 by Napoleon_Tanerite Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Karl Hungus Posted April 13, 2012 Share Posted April 13, 2012 2. Coming soon: no more 3 day opt on ITDYs. You will go, and you will not have a say in the matter. Interesting. I'm not sure how that's even legal, but if the AF has the ability to screw someone, I'm sure they'll use it. As if I needed another reason to get out... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Champ Kind Posted April 13, 2012 Share Posted April 13, 2012 Coming soon: no more 3 day opt on ITDYs. You will go, and you will not have a say in the matter. Interesting. I'm not sure how that's even legal, but if the AF has the ability to screw someone, I'm sure they'll use it. As if I needed another reason to get out... Wait....what? If someone has no service commitment remaining, what makes it any different if they just randomly wake up on a Tuesday morning and say, "I'm done" versus getting served with a 365 and saying, "I'm done"? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Napoleon_Tanerite Posted April 13, 2012 Share Posted April 13, 2012 Wait....what? If someone has no service commitment remaining, what makes it any different if they just randomly wake up on a Tuesday morning and say, "I'm done" versus getting served with a 365 and saying, "I'm done"? Not sure I got my head wrapped completely around it, but it sounded like ITDYs were going to become more like a regular duty type thing, and once tasked you automatically incur the commitment. She said she goes through as many as 100 people to fill an ITDY sometimes due to people running for the hills. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
czecksikhs Posted April 13, 2012 Share Posted April 13, 2012 Wait....what? If someone has no service commitment remaining, what makes it any different if they just randomly wake up on a Tuesday morning and say, "I'm done" versus getting served with a 365 and saying, "I'm done"? We probably should have seen it coming. First, the 7 day option turned into the 3 day option. A zero day non-option is an even more efficient reduction. I can see the OPR bullets now... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
schokie Posted April 13, 2012 Share Posted April 13, 2012 She said she goes through as many as 100 people to fill an ITDY sometimes due to people running for the hills. So AFPC sees this happen on a regular basis and claims suprise at the number of people who tried to VSP? What's better is their solution is the zero-day, no-notice 365 ITDY. Unbelievable. Well, not unbelievable, but still dissapointing. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pawnman Posted April 13, 2012 Share Posted April 13, 2012 So AFPC sees this happen on a regular basis and claims suprise at the number of people who tried to VSP? What's better is their solution is the zero-day, no-notice 365 ITDY. Unbelievable. Well, not unbelievable, but still dissapointing. Well, it'll get those 365's filled. My favorite from that brief was when she said people don't want to be execs for generals because they are afraid it will "hurt their career" to be "out of their career field". I think we all understand that working directly for a guy with stars is a GREAT career move, it's just a miserable fucking job. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Skitzo Posted April 13, 2012 Share Posted April 13, 2012 Yeah and 4 star execs are generally not captains are they? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Techsan Posted April 13, 2012 Share Posted April 13, 2012 Yeah and 4 star execs are generally not captains are they? I know of one, although he was prior enlisted. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ram Posted April 14, 2012 Share Posted April 14, 2012 Yeah and 4 star execs are generally not captains are they? I personally know one. He's a major now at the end of his 3 year exec tour, so perhaps he was a major-select when he got the job. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Danny Noonin Posted April 14, 2012 Share Posted April 14, 2012 (edited) I personally know one. He's a major now at the end of his 3 year exec tour, so perhaps he was a major-select when he got the job. You sure he's THE actual exec? Most 4-stars have an O-5 (lots are even O-6 select) as an exec. O-4s are generally the aide-de-camp or whipping boy deputy assistant exec. Edited April 14, 2012 by Danny Noonin Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FUSEPLUG Posted April 14, 2012 Share Posted April 14, 2012 Did they bring back the motivational speaker for this class? I believe his name is Dan Clarke. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Napoleon_Tanerite Posted April 14, 2012 Share Posted April 14, 2012 Yes, Dan Clark was here last Fri. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FUSEPLUG Posted April 14, 2012 Share Posted April 14, 2012 (edited) Unfortunate. He obviously doesn't do this engagement for free. His speech is a giant insult to those who have served in combat, and is a tremendous waste of Air Force funds. I sat for an hour and a half with my ears plugged as he yelled a bunch of loosely related stories into the microphone. The worst part was when he received a standing ovation. I understand he has seen some hardships, but do a bunch of wartime CGO's need a Matt Foley-esque speech to "motivate" them at Shoe Flag? Apparently my extensive feedback to the leadership had zero impact (edit... not that I thought my feedback meant sh!t anyways). Edited April 14, 2012 by FUSEPLUG 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Homestar Posted April 14, 2012 Share Posted April 14, 2012 Hmm. If one can no longer 3-day opt-out of an ITDY, I'd get out at the first opportunity after my ADSC. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HoHum Posted April 14, 2012 Share Posted April 14, 2012 Not sure I got my head wrapped completely around it, but it sounded like ITDYs were going to become more like a regular duty type thing, and once tasked you automatically incur the commitment. When was the last time anybody got an ADSC without agreeing and signing for it? 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Learjetter Posted April 14, 2012 Share Posted April 14, 2012 When was the last time anybody got an ADSC without agreeing and signing for it? B-2 pilots, 1998. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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