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I told the MPF I did a year on the ROK when enlisted and I wanted to know if that counted as short tour credit. They checked my records and gave me credit for that in VMPF. It's listed under my short tours to Iraq and Asscrackistan.
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Turning down an assignment but still have commitment
pcola replied to ARAMP1's topic in General Discussion
I guess you aren't missing anything…maybe I was the only dumbass. Regardless, I want to make sure that people understand that the ODSD essentially does nothing for you WRT 365 selection. What Herk Driver says is usually golden. However when he said: "If you looked further, they were getting tagged in order of STRD (none of them had OSRD or a previous short tour)," it made me think that he was treating the ODSD as a discriminator and I wanted to clarify that it really isn't. Regardless of your ODSD, you will always be tagged in order of STRD (unless you have more than 1 short tour.) I can't imagine a situation where two guys that both qualify for the same ITDY have the same number of short tours and also happen to have the same STRD and then actually have the ODSD come into play as a tie breaker. In other words, forget all about your ODSD, it does nothing for you. Maybe that's evident to most people and I'm a retard (quite possible,) but to me it was not. -
I'm trying to get some info/differentiate between overseas short tours, long tours, remotes, and deployments such as CAOC tours. What are the differences between them? I'm browsing the AFI nunya posted and am under the impression that a short tour is one that is generally unaccompanied and less than 365 but can also be 18 months. And a long tour is any location accompanied or unaccompanied for 365+? These can either be flying and non flying right? What generally drives the requirement to do a short or long tour? Are they mostly volunteer, or are people voluntold? What about the CAOC? Is that one of those mandatory check boxes in order to stay in? Also, does an overseas assignment to somewhere like Kadena count the same as any other long overseas or remote tour? Are all of these "highly recommended" at some point in the aviation career, meaning if you don't volunteer for them at least once in your career you can count on getting stuck with one later on? Any info you could provide would be greatly appreciated. Thanks!
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Curious how splitting the 365s will effect who goes. Before it was the short tour return dates, and you knew that if stuck around past 18 years you were hot for one. Now I imagine the MAJCOMs will share them out to the bases based on magic formula and the wing kings get to pick who goes. They did that before, but now it will be in far greater numbers. If you're FGO and not part of the leadership plan at a base, you know your purpose in life.
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The air advisor deployment was a 365, so the 220 is most likely the CSAF guidance to make it a 180, plus some training TDYs prior to. I would imagine every 365 minus the command billets are going that route now. So the 180 rules are a fair amount different. It's assigned to a base or wing, and the local leadership gets to decide who goes. The normal short tour return date rules don't apply. You're now in between a rock and a hard place. Like everyone's said, let the CC know that you'll punch if told to go. He can make you follow through, and give it to someone else. Or he can let you stay, and give it to someone else. So the CC gets to decide if he wants to lose two or more FGOs or just one. I doubt you'll be popular with the base leadership in either case. As an aside, last dude I talked to who did the air advisor gig said they retired four Lt Cols before they replaced him.
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Why is the short tour discriminator out there? Now with them changing the rules of what a short tour is will previous short tours still count? How about we just use days deployed / contingency as a discriminator until these wars are behind us for 10+ years. This way the d bag who has been deployed for precisely 185 days in his 15-17 years of service gets tagged for the 365 instead of the crew dog who has in excess of 4 years deployed for the same amount of time in service just doesn't have the short tour.
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I got my non-select notification 3 weeks before departing my last assignment (al Udeid short tour) to head to Joint Staff. The push line on my non-select PRF, ironically, was for Joint Staff.
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I am prior with a short tour to Osan AB Korea back in 2000 during my enlisted days. I have followed this forum throughtout my career. I was just offered the bonus and I have 3 short tours under my belt. One to Afghanistan, Iraq, and Korea. I am on the fence about taking the money with 4 years until I can officially retire. I will have to serve an additional two years if I take the bonus. Not to mention, I have read in this forum if you take the bonus, you have signed your ticket for a 365. Everyone said I am crazy not to take the money. Money doesnt always mean happiness. I am not married and I dont have kids. I was also told I could probably make Lt Col. Please advise, because I am unsure about the bonus and even doing ACSC via correspondence. I doubt I will become a Lt Col, simply because I dont have any mentorship. I have fought to come this far from making SrA BTZ, SSgt first time, and major first time.
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Pilot Shortage Deepens, USAF is SCREWED.
jazzdude replied to ClearedHot's topic in General Discussion
Well, this puts another point in the "get out" column for me. Bust my butt as a young single dude to get a short tour so when I'm ready to start a family I won't have the threat of a 365, only to have that taken away. Follow that with an AETC assignment and an attached flyer assignment, and now I'm hot for a 365. Only so I can probably go to staff next assignment. Time to start updating my airline apps again... -
Pilot Shortage Deepens, USAF is SCREWED.
MooseAg03 replied to ClearedHot's topic in General Discussion
I for one hope they don’t figure this mess out for another 6-9 months before I’ll be eligible to 3 day opt. I understand trying to be equitable by using short tour return date and such, but maybe they should also look at retainability as well. I have seen one drop recently, it was 3 day opted. It was for a Sept ‘18 - Sept ‘19 in place with safety training beginning this month. Can’t get out soon enough. -
If you're into NATO and Italian food, look up the DACCC at Poggio Renatico, Italy. Sits in the middle of motor valley. Two year accompanied remote because the nearest school for kids is a 1+30 drive. The USAF presence is significant enough to have a healthy national support element. It's one of the best ways to punch the short tour box if you're single or you've got a family that can homeschool. Ferrara is a great little city. Lambo and Ferrari main factories are a quick trip too.
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To my knowledge, Osan still receives short tour credit as long as you don't bring your family command sponsored. That's probably not a bad way to check this container - you can always bring your family over on your own dime (and you still get OHA).
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Thread revival, back to the original subject...anyone know what short tour assignments (ie, not 365’s off the AEF list) are floating around regularly? My functional is looking to see what’s available (I’m hot for a non-vol 365 as soon as FY19 requirements come out), but wondering what folks know is out there. Are all of the Korea remotes to Kunson or are there some at Osan?
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Bump. Currently on a 120 and I have been asked to extend to 180+ for continuity with leadership's guarantee that I can knock out a short. My replacement's new RDD will ensure I get >185 days. Anyway my guys back home said yes but are concerned about the WOMs they've heard of dudes on ALO tours that have had ~189 days and not get short tour credit. Persco and support SQ/CC out here are saying that if I get 180+ there is nothing they can do to keep me from getting short credit back home... Any verified stories of guys spending 182-190ish days and not getting short tour credit? What was the issue? Where is the reg or policy letter that states that 180+ qualifies as a short, haven't been able to track it down in the 36-series? It helps to be armed when going up against the MPF. Any advice to make sure all squares get filled and I don't get fooked?
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Turning down an assignment but still have commitment
ThreeHoler replied to ARAMP1's topic in General Discussion
Recently they were tagging people with STRDs of sometime 1994 for O-5 billets. Know an O-4 with a STRD of sometime 1999 get told he should look for the short tour he wanted to do before the 365 came to him. Some O-3s in the '05 year group were tagged with 365s because they had STRDs of late '05 or early '06. YMMV. This matches exactly what I was told by the short tour people at AFPC, even though the way the reg is written indicates ODSD is always used. -
Turning down an assignment but still have commitment
C-21.Pilot replied to ARAMP1's topic in General Discussion
My STRD is August 1997, and I have 1 short tour…. Am currently deployed but won't count as a short tour. Wonder how vulnerable I am? -
300 days for a short tour has to be OCONUS TDY. From Table 3.4: "If Airman performed TDY ... from a OS long tour location to any other OS location ... And served ... 300 days or more in a consecutive 18 month period ... Then ... give Airman credit for a completed short tour and award a new STRD to equal date of return from last TDY." (Ellipses represent breaks in the table, not lost information.) Each MAJCOM has a Rated Manager who is your very own "personnelist in a flight suit." In USAFE's case, he's also a rated recallee. If you have questions about exactly this kind of stuff, or deployments, assignments, and rated manning, contact him directly. Most of them work in your MAJCOM A1, except USAFE & PACAF which have theirs in the A3.
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It's actually not too hard to get that STRD moved. I think that we have the technology and shouldn't have to force it ourselves, but until that's fixed I'm keeping mine up to date. No MPF at my location, so I email PDFs of the paid travel voucher and the orders to my servicing MPF. That removes the "awaiting verification" and moves the STRD. There's a few briefs floating around that go into more detail, but not needed for the quick fix. You can also take those documents in hand and go to the MPF and sit there until it's done if you're concerned it won't happen. There was a message recently about DTS cleaning out docs older than a cutoff, (2007, 2008?) so might be worth saving those now. I don't want to derail the thread, so PM if you have more questions. If you get desparate you can also download their reg on e-pubs that explains the STRD. Ironically, I'm on a short tour now (but it was voluntary - they're not all bad) so I could have just not bothered updating any of it. At this point it's just habit.
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Risk level high. Early 2001, but haven't done a short tour yet. More than half my deployments have a awaiting MPF verification tag next to them, and I haven't cracked the code on how to make them move my STRD.
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What's your Short Tour Return date?
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FY 14 Force Management Program (RIF, VSP, TERA)
Warrior replied to AOF_ATC's topic in General Discussion
Correlation does not equal causation. I wouldn't put it past afpc to do something like that, but they've repeatedly shown they aren't competent enough to figure it out. Keep in mind, 365s do not get handed down by the CC. They come from AFPC based on number of short tours, short tour return date and a probably a couple other factors I can't remember right now. But I'm skeptical that vsp application has anything to do with a 365 other than the dudes applying we're likely motivated knowing they were short on the list to get tagged. -
IPR doesn't assign short tour credit. Take your travel vouchers to career management over at the MPF along with the highlighted short tour table and you'll be good to go.
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There is zero chance they could get Congress to fund this. Also 179 vs 180 is no longer relevant, they haven't given short tour credit for 180+ in quite some time. If AF wants to cut down on requirements, CSAF needs to call out the COCOMs on their requirements. I don't see our current CSAF going to bat on this one. The next best COA would be to start filling the 11X required billets with non-11Xs. When the non-rated folks show their ability to build power-point slides just as well as rated, they'll be able to drop the 11X requirement and get rid of the notion that the COCOM's "need" pilots to do their staff work.
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Wow. anyway, 300 days in 18 months, is what I meant as everyone else seemed to understand. Yes, if you PCS you are safe for a year so if I had finished a 365 w/PCS, I wouldn't be asking about the 45 days it apparently takes to get this short tour in the system. On a completely different note, a lot of people might not realize that dwell time only protects you from centcom. You could get sent to a 365 somewhere else during dwell. Thus, the urgency for logging short tour credit and my frustration with waiting 45 days..... Other than butter's post, thanks for the replies.
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Dude, if you PCS to a new base after a short tour and get picked off for a 365 within 45 days you are the idiot, not the shoes. Or do you suck at writing and mean that you are about to get 300 days in 18 months to get short tour credit? They are not the same thing.
