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Give the guy a break. If you had last month's overdue staff summary sheet still sitting on your desk and barely enough time to squeeze in a CGOC meeting during your two hour lunch break, you'd need a place to vent too.

MSgt Pro Supers don't fix jets...

Works in the Falklands: http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/8/80/Falklands-Minefield.JPG. The Statue of Liberty is a good analogy. She was built atop Ellis Island, a single entry point where legal immigration could occur and appropriately screened people will be let in. With clear warnings against crossing the border in the "danger zones" between legal crossings, the lethal/nonlethal measures will deter unauthorized infiltration (can't tell the difference between a family, a drug smuggler, or an AQ operative if crossing is uncontrolled). Authorized crossing points can be established where authorized individuals can cross and non-authorized individuals can petition/apply for access. The military and corporations with secure facilities do the same every day. Perimeter deterrence (often potentially lethal in the case of razor/electric wire or armed guards) funnels all entry to authorized points. Dangerous measures are appropriately marked and isolated so that they require an affirmative action (climbing the fence, etc) to injure, removing any excuse/blame for injury. Those "inside the circle of trust" (citizens/green card holders/etc) can be let in at the border crossing upon verification/customs screening. Those not inside the circle will have to go to the "visitor center" (consulate?) to apply for screening and a "visitors badge" (visa).

At least you could wear your American flag patch during that hardship tour.

I think it's because you like being around the company of pilots...don't worry about it, I was once the same way. Before I was a pilot, I looked up to and wanted to be in the company of military pilots. By the way, any pilot or flying questions you may have, just ask away!! You're welcome!!

That was before camera phones and twitter-book-gram... Kids these days gotta show everyone, everything. Plausible denial-ability left a long time ago.

I knew this would happen when I saw an influx of Mormon officers joining the ranks 15 year ago. They are all policy makers now! (just joking Mormons) Seriously? WTF is this AF coming to?! Are the WG/CCs really still wondering why the clubs are failing? Back when they were happening places, clubs were making the majority of their revenue on alcohol....period. Take that away, and don't be at all surprised that the clubs are going broke. Doesn't matter how many memberships you get...if you dry up the club, you can kiss the clubs goodbye. I remember a time when the overseas clubs (Spanghalem/Ramstein) were happening places. GoGo dancers. Shit, even when I was young LT at Vance, they were still letting the girls from downtown on base to partake in the club festivities. (I know, that isn't saying much, but as a single LT...booty is booty). Not only is this not my Dad's Air Force anymore...it is looking like it is not my AF anymore. Time to take my drinking problems somewhere else. Times a'changin fellas! Good luck everyone else...we're all counting on you!

Lift with your Airmen not with your back.

Checks.

Says the guy who brings the 'racism' card into the discussion...that has nothing to do with race.

At the Deid right now and talked to finance last week, and they are still doing the SDP.

The altitude chambers at WP are 50 years old and have been known to have smoke appear in them-have fun with that.

By including real estate prices in the index they've eliminated all of the places that the rest of the country actually want to live.

Well sir, it's the #1 base in the AF apparently so the sky's the limit!

So you want to pack up and move at max 9 hours away. To live with a guy that is gonna be super busy for a year. Quit your job and find a new one. All to eventually come right back to where you already are in a year? My advise...stay put. There are enough 3-4 day weekends to justify taking a 9 hour roadtrip. If he gets Vance, even better.

Pics would help us decide.

Are you trying to say Jesus wasn't an American?

Subtle.

you should move 25% more into hookers

Just think, if we changed the immigration process so that those we would otherwise come in illegally could now come in legally we wouldn't HAVE to spend additional resources beefing up border security and could free up additional dollars to help our own. What a novel concept! But no, let's keep throwing more money at a process that is clearly and utterly broken.

Since the black box always survives, they should really just make the entire plane out of the same material.

I like to think of it as visiting the zoo.

Let's try to keep this convo on topic and avoid thread trolling due to weird unexplained internet grudges. I didn't mean to imply anything was racist, it was simply a metaphor. I would just hope that the character of this nation would be above that of the actions that you typically see from prisons and third world autocratic dictatorships. Casual disregard of human life seems commonplace when it comes to finding a permanent "solution" to the Mexican "problem".

As entertaining as this thread is, the casual suggestions jokingly thrown about where we just simply start killing illegal border crossers doesn't seem so joking and casual when it comes up like 10 different times. It's like being around a bunch of guys who start making a few too many racial jokes and you start to wonder about the quality of the company you keep.