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Suggest you check your facts bro.

Shut it down.

First off... -852 lame points for "liking" your own post! Your Grand Forks suggestion has to be one of your stupidest suggestions to date and shows that you have zero clue as to how a pilot thinks. You take a guy who probably wanted to be a pilot since he was 5 yrs old, worked his ass off through high school to pay for flying lessons to get his PPL (that would be private pilots license for you A1 number crunchers), spent a year of his life working his ass off in UPT with the hopes of selecting the aircraft that he wants to fly (signing a 10 yr ADSC to fly it), spends anywhere from 200-300 days a year on the road because geniuses like you can tell him his Squadron is overmanned with pilots and even cuts those manning numbers... and when the guys tell you that the theory vs the reality of your numbers is wrong... "Well you could just move to Grand Forks and fly a remote control airplane instead!" Then you are actually clueless enough to say that 1) these guys think this is a good deal and 2) there are people in this or any community that are lining up to take your offer... and should be grateful with hat in hand for your fantastic opportunity. My complaint about the bonus is that the attitude of number crunching non-pilot ass hats in San Antonio and DC is that if we throw money at the problem it will go away and you base this thought on irrelevant "historical data" without for even a second looking more than one assignment cycle into the future or looking at external factors. This mindset in the corporate world would get all of you fired on a daily basis... including the GOs! As far as me being 100% about myself and being jaded? Tell me something... How is the view from the cheap seats??? You come on here and manage to dodge every question about stats that come your way from anywhere other than your soda straw A1 fabricated numbers about Squadrons and manning... you glorify the insane "advancement by box checking" process (one that you are clearly a product of) while ignoring the 99% of those on here saying that there is no actual leadership in leadership positions and tell anyone who disagrees with your ideas that they should do us all a favor and just quit... you look at the VSP disaster from a few years ago and the conclusion you draw is that the AF should have just come out and admitted they screwed up, but completely ignore the fact and reality that the overwhelming majority of all who applied for VSP were pilots! Yeah, I'll bet traffic in DC is a real bitch and the Metro in the summer gets pretty uncomfortable on your way home to the wife and kids. Let me suggest this to you... for the enlightenment of all of us jaded pilots who only care about themselves, why don't you tell all of us your background? Let us know how well you relate to us and that you share our experiences over the past 11+ years since 9/11. Unless those experiences involve spending 200+ days on the road every year in some shit hole that ends in Stan or in Iraq, endless stories from buds hoping their leave doesn't get cancelled so they can go visit their kids who just moved 1000 miles away with the ex-wife because we are "surging" again, or the feeling of nausea every time the phone rings and the caller ID says "######ing Sq Scheduler" because you know you'll need to explain to your kids why Daddy has to go away again... If you can't relate to that then before you tell someone who has lived that for the past 11+ years they should remember "service before self" maybe you should take a step back and take the opportunity to just STFU! Guess what Chang... we aren't all warriors no matter what they told you during what sounds like years that you spent sitting in Polifka or at some Commanders Call on a Staff tour! Every last one of us here in this forum is proud to put on a uniform each day to serve our country and is more than willing to strap into the seat and crank the engines at a moments notice... no matter what is waiting to greet us at our destination! We will miss the birthdays, anniversaries, Holidays, baseball games, dance recitals and first steps because that is what we signed up to do. What we don't need is some ass clown who sits in a cubical and runs selective numbers to tell us that, even though he doesn't do it himself, that we should be "grateful" to be doing it and if we don't like it we can just leave. So before you give anyone else the lecture on here about being selfish and jaded, please let us all know how many combat hours you have logged and how many years you sat at the scheduling desk at McChord, McConnell or Shaw during our great period of "overmanned pilots"! Otherwise... go troll somewhere else.

Actually, Paul tells slave owners in how to treat slaves, and slaves how to behave towards their owners, several times in the NT. I'll give you a hint...he never tells the owners to set their slaves free. I should introduce you to my Catholic buddy. The two of you can have a lengthy debate about faith alone or needing works to earn salvation. Even at it's most basic, Christianity is still a stick-and-carrot proposition...believe in what we tell you and you go to heaven, don't believe and you go to hell. Then you stick on a bunch of things you should do if you believe in Christ.

Yep, homosexual behavior is so abnormal and unnatural that it's only exhibited by 1500 different species of God's animals. I guess political pressure and gay activism affected those animals as well until it became normalized.

Well said. The unfortunate part is that the majority (53%) now accepts homosexuality as moral behavior. Those of us that believe it is wrong are now in the minority, so we will have to accept the will of the majority when it comes to legislation and public policy. That is until we figure out that moral relativism is a fraud and drop the rainbow moral paint pallet in favor of a little more black and white. It probably won't happen in our life times, but it will come back. It always does.

Not really--the point is this: Flying and staff billets coded as 11G (T-6, Pueblo, USAFA, MC-12 flying billets; all manner of staff billets; ALO billets--jobs that can be filled by pilots from any community ) should be proportionally filled by pilots from all the various communities. Due to shortages, Big Blue has wisely elected to disproportionately man these billets with 11Ms (or not fill them at all), in order man ops flying squadrons. This makes sense--good on the A1 types that are doing the best they can to man billets with the best-qualified folks available for those billets. Check with your bros in the aforementioned billets--T-6 sq's, MC-12s, dudes at Pueblo & USAFA, etc., and ask how many 11Fs (or 11Ss/11Hs) they have in their squadrons. I think you'll find crazy lots of 11Ms, with the other communities few and far between or totally absent. The problem, as I perceive it--and neither GC nor anyone else has even tried to disprove this--is that HAF/A1M doesn't seem to be taking this into account when making decisions WRT to the ARP. Net result is communities such as the 11Ms getting crushed, with little incentive to stay in due to A1M looking at the wrong metrics. Try on these metrics: ACP take rates for FY '97-'01 (the last big hiring boom) were 35%, 28%, 42%, 32% and 30% (33% avg--half of the "record high" retention GC quoted). BTW, these metrics were for pilots as a whole--which community do you think found it easier to go from a large, multiengine airframe in Big Blue to a large, multiengine airframe in the civil sector? What happens to not only AMC, but also AFSOC, ACC, AETC, COCOMs, etc., when they not only fail to get the 11Fs with 12+ yrs of service they want, but don't get pilots at all . . . because the 11Ms have all jumped ship at their first opportunity. It's not like the ARP as currently structured provides much incentive to stay in . . .

It's never OK to be gay. If you're asking if it's OK to have a great PJ or Viper pilot serve our country and work along side me in the USAF and be my friend, then yes - absolutely. If he wants me to tell him that I think the decisions he's making with respect to his sexuality are OK with me, I won't be able to do that. Anymore than I would be able to do the same for a friend with a drinking problem. I don't stop being his friend or trying to help him if I can, I just can't condone some of the choices he's making. I also shouldn't be expected to be "OK" with the fact that some of my tax dollars and public laws/policies are being used to support his choices. There's right and wrong in this world - free will and our country's freedoms allow us to choose wrong if we want. The mere fact that a minority of people in our society want to do something doesn't mean the majority have to support them or ignore our beliefs.

Strategic power projection is not important when you have prize-winning Clydesdales with tight itineraries. Those show horses aren't going to fly themselves around the world.

Correction...four C-17s. For a country about 100 miles end to end with no need for strategic power projection...I think you might be on to something.

I figured someone would grab for the first part of the quote without giving any recognition to the latter two reasons. Here is the real reason it was removed: "The young turks were all psychiatrists, all members of the APA and all liberal-minded easterners who had decided to reform the American Psychiatric Association from the inside. Specifically they had decided to replace all the grey-haired conservatives who ran the organization with a new breed of psychiatrist; more sensitive to the social issues of the day with liberal opinions on Kent State, Vietnam, feminism. They figured that once they got this new breed into office they could fundamentally transform American psychiatry. And one of the things this group was keen to transform was American psychiatry’s approach to homosexuality." https://www.mindofmodernity.com/not-sick-the-1973-removal-of-homosexuality-from-the-dsm C'mon dude, do you really think that science exists in a vacuum? You don't think that statistics and "empirical studies" can be used to support either side of an argument? It was political pressure and gay activism, plain and simple that "normalized" homosexual behavior in the minds of many Americans. Is the comparison idiotic? They are both abnormal, unnatural sexual behaviors that have the same prevalence in the US population. We agree that pedophilia is illegal because it victimizes a child. I'm not contending that homosexuality should be illegal between consensual adults. But it is not without cost. That is why I don't believe we should sanction and encourage it. The victim here is one of the basic units of society, the family. The redefinition of "family" and "marriage" to be inclusive of homosexual behavior will have long-run societal costs associated with it. You won't agree, and thats fine. I'm OK with that because I know that history repeats itself, and eventually we will return to some sanity and realize that we don't have to sanction every unnatural behavior preference, even while still being an inclusive society.

Wait. Qatar does have a military. Two C-17s. I'm guessing the seating capacity of two 17s is just about enough to fit the entire royal family of Qatar in the event of a massive "Let's get the fvck outta here" exercise.

Big Blue's already been through this drill, and has recategorized as many 11F billets (to 11G, 16G, etc.) as it thought it reasonably could, yet there still aren't enough 11Fs to go around--and BTW, they ain't enough 11S or 11H types either . . . leading to 11Ms filling all manner of billets in ACC, AFSOC, COCOM staffs, etc . . . not to mention MC-12 flying billets, that 11Fs should be filling. Problem is that the "Red Line"--the number of 11Ms Big Blue figures it needs by year group (need lots of Lts & Capts, fewer Majs, even fewer Lt Cols, etc.) doesn't take into account all the added requirements foisted on us. Combine the fact that Big Blue's Wing and below manning models suck (pilots fill Wing/Group/Sq staff jobs that could/should be filled by civilians if funding were provided to do so) with a system that fails to account for the "in lieu of" requirements that 11Ms are filling . . . and 11M units get their nuts crushed while all the charts in the Pentagon show that 11Ms are "overmanned." The refusal to recognize this reality and account for it in Air Force manning models results in all manner of misguided decisions, with this year's ARP just being the latest example. Make the best decisions you can, knowing that the crappy policies will continue until HAF/A1 gets a clue.

...and it lasted all of 30 or so minutes. The BX was a zoo. The gun counter was a zoo on methanphetamines. The mariachi band was a nice touch though.

So I guess all those civilizations and cultures predating Christianity that opposed homosexuality issues were also relying on the Bible. What about today? Are other non-Judeo-Christian countries throughout this world such as Japan relying on the Bible too?

What we really need to do is create some more GO billets...

I'm not sure how the two are even that separate. And usually, I don't see people saying "animals do it, so people should to". Usually, it is a response to the anti-gay argument that "it isn't natural". Clearly, it is natural. Calling people out for their prejudices is now narrow minded? Fine. I'm narrow minded. Doesn't change the fact that a growing body of evidence now points to the conclusion that homosexuality is in-born...just like race. I suppose we could tell them all they have to be celibate for their entire lives. Seems a little unfair to me. You can hold on to that idea if you want, but you are probably not going to win any new legal battles, and in 20 years, you're going to look just as silly as grandpa looked when he condemned inter-racial couples.

LOL

Gen...Other than you completely misunderstanding what BCan was saying, that was a good post. Dudes may not what to hear what you're saying, but with regard to what the bonus is/does it was solid. Stick to that stuff please and you'll be useful to the young pups around here. The minute you start questioning the motivations, service or values of young dudes who have faced more time away from home, career instability, and uncertain futures (over their entire careers not just for short term issues like in other points of our AF history) based solely on your interpretations of their Internet venting, then you are right the fuck out of line. Keep posting please but have SA.

Wow. Lobotomy complete. Seems like a pretty short sighted view if you ask me. Here's an idea: Physically go poke your head into a mobility squadron. Don't tell them you're coming. Just show up and look around. When you meet the CC or DO, look them in the eye and tell them they're overmanned and their morale is at record levels. With a straight face. Good luck.

I guess 105mm doesn't count?

While she's at it, she should go after the millions of people on food stamps, govt housing, etc who don't need it either...guarantee that won't happen. I applaud her for at least doing something right, but make no mistake--she picks and choses where to go after people who are receiving benefits who do not truly deserve/need them.

Based on the thread title, I thought this thread was about Eagle pilots.