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I think this sentence out of the PDSM answers the question “The applicant’s Senior Rater is the nominating official (i.e., a wing commander or equivalent in a Senior Rater position)”. for example, you want to potentially get cgo of the quarter….just because you did some cool stuff in the quarter doesn’t mean you’re competitive to win that quarter. Your supervisor is going to use their discretion to determine if they’re going to submit a package for you. Same concept, if your sq/gp/wg doesn’t believe you’re competitive they don’t HAVE to submit or “nominate” you. I’m not saying it’s right but it’s how it works. Last year my WG/CC didn’t endorse my package because in his mind I didn’t have enough time in the career field or wasn’t close to the 2.5 year rated service commitment even though I was ranked 1/9 at my sq and then #2 at the group. My old Sq/CC tried to advocate for me the GP/CC tried and my new SQ/CC tried to advocate but nope. Did it suck? Yes but here I am a year later applying. #1 out the sq #1 out the gp…and no one knows where they ranked at the wg. So no there’s no reg that states they don’t have to push packages to the board if they don’t want to, but it’s common practice with any type of board.
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This is along the lines of what I'm curious about. Us applicants never got eyes on anything other than the Boards selection criteria. Completely understand if Sq/Gp/Wg want to retain their members therefore use a different criteria than the Board but kinda backwards if you ask me. If Sq/Gp/Wg are only pushing packages with a certain score threshold, then why even submit a full package with accomplishments, accolades, letter of rec, etc to them. Wouldn't they just ask for aptitude scores instead? If the Board is looking to select those with the "whole-person" concept (which the AF embodied in most areas anyways), why limit the applicants being pushed to the Board solely based off of one area (scores). Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk
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This is how beer goggles work.
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Is there a reg out there that states sq/gp/wg leadership don’t have to push packages to the board if they don’t want to?
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I don’t think it is what happened, at least using this article as a source. TERA approval authority is SAF (in this case). I understand this piece of journalism says at one point they “were initially approved,” but nobody below SAF has approval authority. I bet their misspeak/the truth is the members’ apps for TERA were concurred with at lower levels, but ultimately denied by SAF. Just like someone’s Palace Chase app being denied. They took their shot and didn’t get the outcome they wanted - sucks for them, but nothing wrong with it. Bottom line: Unless SAF approved TERA apps, then rescinded approval later on, there is no bullshit going on. So far, I’ve seen nothing that indicates SAF approved them ever. But, I agree it is bullshit if that is actually what happened (so far, no evidence of that…)
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https://www.twz.com/air/crop-duster-armed-with-air-to-air-missiles-appears-in-ukraine
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Hey man, like I said, if they had approvals and those approvals were taken away, that's bullshit. Regardless of the political issue. But I also don't think it's going to matter. I remember you were convinced that the Roe v Wade ruling was going to doom Republicans forever (hyperbole), but I think I was closer with my prediction to say that the issue will largely fall by the wayside because there's no longer a unifying narrative. But this issue is the opposite. The unifying narrative will either be "I just don't care about transgenderism enough to have a strong opinion," or more likely based on the insistence by progressives that we hear about this bullshit day in and day out, "sorry but the idea that a man could be a woman is so fucking stupid that I will act against the movement *if* I am forced to act." So yeah, I don't like it one little bit if they are backing out of promises just because the service member is a tranny. But the idea that this is going to radicalize anybody against the Republicans is misguided in my estimation. I believe the vast, vast, vast majority of Democrats are quietly relieved when they see someone else speaking against nearly every facet of the transgender issue. And they will vote accordingly and never admit it to anyone else.
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I just spit out my coffee.....well played
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That is precisely what happened to several members. Air Force Reverses Offer of Early Retirement for Transgender Troops I never said there was blanket approval, but ANYONE could apply. The memo specifically calls out transgender, it is targeted. I get it, but this was an easy off-ramp to a politically induced situation. Instead, we are kicking them where their nuts used to be and allowing it to be spun into another dog whistle issue by the left.
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I’m seeing a lot of comments about PCSM and what the board looks for and etc…I do want to say that if you happen to make it to the board, you have just as equal of a chance to make it as the next person. With that being said…the more competitive you make yourself, the better chance you have of being picked up. Now if you’re already in the rated community, for example RPA it’s going to be tough, and the reason being is because of the standards at the sq/gp/wg. Each command is entitled to judge and rack and stack as they please. If they want you to have a specific PCSM before they push you then that’s their stipulation and if you want it bad enough then I know you have it in you to get the score required. Now, you could be the best in your career field….that doesn’t mean you’ll be a good manned pilot, or that doesn’t necessarily show leadership potential. Are you doing something different than what every other person is doing who is applying to this board. Are you making an impact outside of work? Are you talking about how great you’ve been in your current career field and that’s it? Remember, the Air Force is ALWAYS going to choose what’s best for the Air Force and if your desires and interests fit into what the Air Force needs AND wants, then you have a good shot at getting picked up. Lastly, I’ll say this, keep killing it and growing in whatever you are doing currently. If this path is meant for you, it’ll happen. I’m a believer in God and do believe in his will and timing. I’m applying this year and if it’s meant for me I’ll get it. And I truly believe the same for you. Whether it’s your first time applying or third…don’t get discouraged. Good luck to everyone !
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Air Force recruit disqualified from service over weight-loss surgery sues DOD for discrimination https://www.stripes.com/branches/air_force/2025-08-07/air-force-recruit-lawsuit-weight-loss-18694149.html
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Trash panda (bones) could pass for legit stowaway...
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Waived for TERA. Needs of the service were rebalancing more than LMs or their ADSCs. I was shocked, that guy was pleased to walk with TRICARE for Life, VA disability from working on SFS, and 2.5% of High-3 on ~15+ YAS.
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Just from what I've seen and heard it seems to vary at each level if they'll push every competitive and qualified candidate or someone says while x candidates have a solid chance of being selected.... we're still gonna cut down to number y and if you arent one of the favorites... cyuh! I got shutdown at my sq last year then watched Lts from other sqs snag ENJJPT slots. Made for a slightly salty rest of my deployment. Fortunately, I wasnt in a dry country. In any case, I'm pressing as if im not selected. Board got pushed up this year, who is to say it won't happen again?
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Sure. That's a "holy shit, the rabid tiger escaped it's enclosure and is about to pounce on a 3-year-old kid - shoot it!!" solution to a problem that was avoidable 10 minutes earlier with a simple 360 or a "no circle to 33 with a helo on route 4" mandate. There's lots of blame to pass around. But saying the solution lies in the last 30 seconds of the event is not very realistic.
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Dozens.... ooooo. TX is hardcore. Wi had like 15K and they lost. Come on TX, protest as if your livelihood depended on on. If dozens is all you got, bow out and yield. Otherwise, mobilize that base and take a stand.
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I'm confused on that topic though because the Gp pushes out guidance IAW the Board suspense (never got eyes on anything from the Wg down to the Gp) and down to the Sq but I've never seen anything where the RPA community has its own criteria. That doesn't make sense how we would be held/scored to a different standard than the board would. Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk
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I think this is the 1st firing. https://www.nytimes.com/2025/08/08/us/politics/trump-billy-long-irs-commissioner.html?unlocked_article_code=1.ck8.z44y.Gr0LF8rc5uU0&smid=url-share
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Fuck it. 6 lbs of hamster bones should do the trick. Compact enough too. Ref Theo Vonn.
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Yeah that's the frustrating part what your sq gp and wg think is competitive probably =/= the board's criteria. In our case RPA guys are a dime a dozen so picking arbitrary criteria is how it seems they delineate. In my case 2-4 strat in the sq was based on hours and I had the short stick. I did some poking and still dont know if we'll find out which packages got submitted and definitely dont expect to see the wg strats. Curious how they calculate potential and leadership. Assume that's where you see the outlier low scores get picked up -\_(-_-)_/-
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He didn’t have an ADSC for the LIQ training?
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Yep, figured there was more to the story.
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Bringing it to everyone's attention: ensure your Sq, Gp, and Wg are tracking the boards selection criteria. You can find their criteria if you go on the AF Portal, type in UFT, then hit the first link that brings up the PSDM, scroll down where people are asking questions and read through to find the % breakdown. I believe it's 40% leadership, 30% potential, and 30% aptitude/PCSM scores as they state they are looking for the "whole-person concept." I just found this out the hard way from my Gp stating "he has good stuff but his scores were lower than his competitors." This implied that the Gp doesn't rack and stack, they simply push packages up to the Wg but still put them in some sort of competitive order. This is coming from a guy who has a 93 pilot and 84 pcsm, recently was an LNO and forward deployed from that gig, numerous international and diplomatic ties, first-ever ACE coordination, with 1,000+ flying hours in the RPA community and plenty of combat experience PLUS a 3-star letter of rec and I was still put 3/3 at the Gp. That being said, i am pushing a screenshot of the Board's selection criteria breakdown up to the Wg to ensure they are tracking the % breakdown and not racking/stacking solely off of PCSM like the Gp stated, "the Wg will rack and stack based on PCSM scores like previous years" (incorrect - the % breakdown was the same in last years board as well). If i am not good enough, so be it, it was a miracle to get my package together in 2 months from start to finish anyways. But if i dont get selected solely based on PCSM score, it's my own fault for not taking it into my own hands. Do your due diligence! Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk
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I inprocessed a brand new LM for LAO and opened a training folder after he graduated the FTU. Less than a week later I closed the folder because of, and learned about, TERA. He was on terminal leave less than a week after that. #winning?
