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3 hours ago, bennynova said:

Sorry to hear, 14N.   How many years to retirement?

2.5...almost there!

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Confirmed.   Did not make.   Great!

who’s the organization we bother at AFPC?

 

afpc/dp....

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18 minutes ago, bennynova said:

Confirmed.   Did not make.   Great!

who’s the organization we bother at AFPC?

 

afpc/dp....

Sorry man -- that's baffling.  Sadly on these Air Force boards there are always a handful every year that make zero sense.  

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30 minutes ago, bennynova said:

Confirmed.   Did not make.   Great!

who’s the organization we bother at AFPC?

 

afpc/dp....

There are some baffling results on that list, including a golden nugget APZ with a P an no IDE (seriously?!) who got picked up, yet there were multiple DPs NOT picked up.  

The lesson is: Go Guard/AFRC...but I digress...

I know the pain of getting passed over and that game sucks any way you play it, especially with a DP.  Sorry man.  The good news is, this isn't the end, and if you don't make promotion later, the USAF REALLY needs you.  It's weird, but it's true.

Your commander should have a full data download and fact finding mission of his/her own...I'd be pissed if you were in my unit and this happened.

However, the individual (my experience is 3 years old, so take it with a grain of salt) that conducts all the passed over counseling is a Miss Autumn Fowley (I don't have global, so i might be spelling that wrong) at AFPC.  Passed over counseling is a one-on-one phone interview with her where your record is evaluated against a sampling of records from your board.  She should give an assessment of what's different in the passed over record, and what items stand out as different and might have contributed to not making it.  At no point will you get a 100% answer as to why you didn't make it.  You will never know who was on the board, nor what was said about your PRF.  Great process, right?   (For frame of reference, Marine officers know who will be grading their board before they even turn in their PRFs, and are encourage to ask individuals why they didn't make it)

Ask your commander what the current process is regarding continuation.  That shouldn't be a player unless you get passed over 1 APZ though.  If you are a flyer, you should get continued, but stranger things have happened.  Ask your commander and don't quit until you have solid answer on the current process.  If you don''t get an answer, consider skipping your commander, it's that important.  The last thing you want is a surprise letter saying you've not been continued because of some form that wasn't submitted correctly (I've seen it happen).

Again, this should all come from your commander.  However, having experienced no support upon being passed over, I don't want you to suffer more frustration in this moment.

PM me if you've got more questions.

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40 minutes ago, FourFans130 said:

There are some baffling results on that list, including a golden nugget APZ with a P an no IDE (seriously?!) who got picked up, yet there were multiple DPs NOT picked up.  

The lesson is: Go Guard/AFRC...but I digress...

I know the pain of getting passed over and that game sucks any way you play it, especially with a DP.  Sorry man.  The good news is, this isn't the end, and if you don't make promotion later, the USAF REALLY needs you.  It's weird, but it's true.

Your commander should have a full data download and fact finding mission of his/her own...I'd be pissed if you were in my unit and this happened.

However, the individual (my experience is 3 years old, so take it with a grain of salt) that conducts all the passed over counseling is a Miss Autumn Fowley (I don't have global, so i might be spelling that wrong) at AFPC.  Passed over counseling is a one-on-one phone interview with her where your record is evaluated against a sampling of records from your board.  She should give an assessment of what's different in the passed over record, and what items stand out as different and might have contributed to not making it.  At no point will you get a 100% answer as to why you didn't make it.  You will never know who was on the board, nor what was said about your PRF.  Great process, right?   (For frame of reference, Marine officers know who will be grading their board before they even turn in their PRFs, and are encourage to ask individuals why they didn't make it)

Ask your commander what the current process is regarding continuation.  That shouldn't be a player unless you get passed over 1 APZ though.  If you are a flyer, you should get continued, but stranger things have happened.  Ask your commander and don't quit until you have solid answer on the current process.  If you don''t get an answer, consider skipping your commander, it's that important.  The last thing you want is a surprise letter saying you've not been continued because of some form that wasn't submitted correctly (I've seen it happen).

Again, this should all come from your commander.  However, having experienced no support upon being passed over, I don't want you to suffer more frustration in this moment.

PM me if you've got more questions.

Everything FourFans said is spot on. I do think it’s Autumn Foley, she’s been there for awhile. The only additional piece of advice, is scour your As Meet records. If you find anything missing or incorrect, there’s a process to apply and meet a supplemental board. If your missing an OPR, could be a game changer. The guy punch is real, and I never really get more than “needed more O6 strats”. Keep your head up, different opportunities are available to you now. 

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2 hours ago, Jetpilot said:

They did the merit based line number allocation. 

So I'll probably be at the bottom...

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6 minutes ago, CaptainMorgan said:

Do you guys think a wrong duty title would be enough to get on the supplemental?


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There is a form you submit, which explains the error, and how it affected your board. Personally, I would try. You lose nothing by trying to meet the supplemental. Touch bases with Autumn Foley, she’ll be able to provide current guidance. Mine experience is several years old. 
 

For reference, my OSB showed me in S flying status, versus K flying status. I was on staff, and the paperwork hadn’t caught up to reflect me being in an Non-Flying billet. I used that to get another look.

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2 hours ago, bennynova said:

Confirmed.   Did not make.   Great!

who’s the organization we bother at AFPC?

 

afpc/dp....

Sorry to hear that, man.

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40 minutes ago, bennynova said:

FYSA, Autumn has moved....or is no longer in the GAL.

In that case...call every single number in AFPC until you find her replacement.  I'm not kidding.  All the GS's know each other...and it'll likely be a GS.  That's how I found the 365 deployment manager, the 179 deployment manager, and the BACN deployment manager.

As for a supplemental, do everything and anything you can to get anyone to look at your record again.  It's that simple.  It takes a single person to recognize "well shit, we should have promoted this guy" for you to get picked up.  We all wish it were different and that 'the process' worked to promote the right ones, but it's not that way.  ANY reason to put your record in front of a different set of eyes is good.

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So I'll probably be at the bottom...
I don't think they did the entire list merit ordered. I was told a certain percentage was merit ordered then the rest was time in grade based. My line number is fairly low and I have APZ friends with lower numbers.

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Great to know.    I am going to try to get onto an SSB, and plan is to get promoted.   I have an error of 2 duty histories, which didn’t make the difference, but should get me an SSB.  
 

im not sure what happened, but I’m gonna get to the bottom of it.
 

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1 hour ago, bennynova said:

Great to know.    I am going to try to get onto an SSB, and plan is to get promoted.   I have an error of 2 duty histories, which didn’t make the difference, but should get me an SSB.  
 

im not sure what happened, but I’m gonna get to the bottom of it.
 

Glad to hear you still have the fight.  Is your commander in the fight with you?  Honestly, he/she SHOULD be the one leading that fight with rage, fury, and an unquenchable lust for justice.  You can still win that fight, I am simply curious as to the current state of leadership.

BL: It is not your job to write your OPR, PRF, or get to the bottom of why you did or did not get promoted.  That's a commander's job.  If your commander is not leading that fight, I would gladly rip that faggotrous pin off their chest. 

Ability to command and lead is demonstrated, not earned.

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1 hour ago, BigWing said:

I don't think they did the entire list merit ordered. I was told a certain percentage was merit ordered then the rest was time in grade based. My line number is fairly low and I have APZ friends with lower numbers.

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You already got your line number?  Are they uploaded somewhere already?

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You already got your line number?  Are they uploaded somewhere already?
My boss had it already when he notified me.

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2 minutes ago, BigWing said:

My boss had it already when he notified me.

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As a good boss should.  Congrats!

Log into vMPF and it should show in the promotion section almost immediately after the results are posted.

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3 hours ago, bennynova said:

FYSA, Autumn has moved....or is no longer in the GAL.

When I did mine, they told me they scheduled everyone automatically.  I talked to a Lt Col at AFPC.  Never talked to Autumn.

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Not that anyone will be pinning on anytime soon until the Senate confirms, but how long till we find out our line numbers? Off my date of rank I'm pretty senior but I'm curious how this much this merit based reorder will affect that.

 

 

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47 minutes ago, Bigred said:

Not that anyone will be pinning on anytime soon until the Senate confirms, but how long till we find out our line numbers? Off my date of rank I'm pretty senior but I'm curious how this much this merit based reorder will affect that.

 

 

Promotion Increments for 1 Nov & 1 Dec are loaded to MyPers .... Officers Promotions --> (scroll down for) Increments to Lt Col 

 

EDIT: Forgot part 2 ... CC's/SR's have your specific line numbers, otherwise it should flow thru MILPDS to vMPF (Career Data Brief) within 24-48 hrs. 

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3 minutes ago, Zag Em said:

Promotion Increments for 1 Nov & 1 Dec are loaded to MyPers .... Officers Promotions --> (scroll down for) Increments to Lt Col 

Well, that answers everyone's question about line numbers.  You are ordered for pin-on based on merit within your functional category, and the pin-on increments are broken out by functional category accordingly.  Makes sense -- would've been hard to order the entire list 1/n.  Also, this table has the first pin-ons taking place 1Nov (Senate pending) so I would expect to see some line numbers popping up on VMPF very soon (couple days at most).

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34 minutes ago, Zag Em said:

Promotion Increments for 1 Nov & 1 Dec are loaded to MyPers .... Officers Promotions --> (scroll down for) Increments to Lt Col 

 

EDIT: Forgot part 2 ... CC's/SR's have your specific line numbers, otherwise it should flow thru MILPDS to vMPF (Career Data Brief) within 24-48 hrs. 

Unless I'm missing it, the CY20B board isn't showing on the increments yet?

Copy on the line number, I'll ask my CC!

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