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2 hours ago, budderbar said:

I agree, they jumped too quick to correct a problem with out having the new rules of the game (I assume they are trying to figure it out now).  And at the very least communicate changes with an organized milestone plan allowing personnel to digest the changes.  

  

 

Really?  Because being a Wg/CCE when you meets your majors board should set you up for life no matter how bad you eff things up after that?

As opposed to an IP who was busting his butt doing the JOB and teaching guys how to do the JOB, while probably being a flt/cc or shop chief. When both are in the same year group.

In the old paradigm the WG/CCE is bullet proof and the IP is now a second class citizen behind the power curve because no one was pushing him for anything past promotion to Major.  At least now more guys should have a shot...depending on how this gets managed.

 

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2 hours ago, Magellan said:

Really?  Because being a Wg/CCE when you meets your majors board should set you up for life no matter how bad you eff things up after that?

As opposed to an IP who was busting his butt doing the JOB and teaching guys how to do the JOB, while probably being a flt/cc or shop chief. When both are in the same year group.

In the old paradigm the WG/CCE is bullet proof and the IP is now a second class citizen behind the power curve because no one was pushing him for anything past promotion to Major.  At least now more guys should have a shot...depending on how this gets managed.

 

You assume the new selection process will eliminate the described scenario. However they haven't laid out what the new process will look like, I think it will end up being the same. 

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I'm not sure where the confusion is.... seems pretty self explanatory regarding the new system.

Cons:  

- more people may be wasting their time doing ACSC in res because they don't know where they stand

 

Pros:  

- promotion list is celebrated by everyone equally. 

- senior eater gets to push who they want for board, knowing family issues, important job efforts/timing, pcs timing, whether member desires to go, etc

- same number of slots will be available, they will just be given out at same board

- perhaps ACSC can cut down on school turndowns at last second...been an issue in the past

 

Ultimately besides wasting time with in res ACSC, I don't see a prob

 

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8 hours ago, bennynova said:

I'm not sure where the confusion is.... seems pretty self explanatory regarding the new system.

Cons:  

- more people may be wasting their time doing ACSC in res because they don't know where they stand

 

Pros:  

- promotion list is celebrated by everyone equally. 

- senior eater gets to push who they want for board, knowing family issues, important job efforts/timing, pcs timing, whether member desires to go, etc

- same number of slots will be available, they will just be given out at same board

- perhaps ACSC can cut down on school turndowns at last second...been an issue in the past

 

Ultimately besides wasting time with in res ACSC, I don't see a prob

 

To me, it sounds pretty similar, you just have to wait a few more years to find out if you're going to go. Senior raters have always played a huge role in selecting who goes to school.

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1 hour ago, Bowser36 said:

To me, it sounds pretty similar, you just have to wait a few more years to find out if you're going to go. Senior raters have always played a huge role in selecting who goes to school.

Perhaps for candidates. For selects they really only have controlled when the select attends. 

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I was not a school select off my board, but I am not a fan of the change.  The AF is notoriously bad when it comes to giving feedback.  SEL status is one of the few ways in which the AF did a half-decent job of managing expectations.  If you got it, you're going to school.  If you didn't, you're going to have to bust out your kneepads if you want to go.   Under the new system, everybody is going to need their kneepads.

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2x passover, no UIF, offered (but turning down) continuation. Forever grateful for the past decade, forever grateful I don't have to do another decade (or another 2 years.) 

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5 hours ago, ihtfp06 said:

I was not a school select off my board, but I am not a fan of the change.  The AF is notoriously bad when it comes to giving feedback.  SEL status is one of the few ways in which the AF did a half-decent job of managing expectations.  If you got it, you're going to school.  If you didn't, you're going to have to bust out your kneepads if you want to go.   Under the new system, everybody is going to need their kneepads.

Ultimately, this change being good or bad will now rest at the wing level. There will be commander's who do great things with it, and there will be those who royally screw it up. At least with a board, it was the sum input of all of your raters up to that point. Heaven help you if you aren't the anointed one by your current leadership.

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Letter to the IPZ board requesting to be passed over OPS CHECKS GOOD!

Passed over with a requested P from my WG/CC. (Originally #3 push w/DP before meeting)

Some of my strats to give hope that others can escape:

2 DGs
#1 Sq CGO Strats (multiple)
#2 and 3 Gp CGO Strats
#1 Aircraft Commander Strat (Sq)
#1 and 2 IP Strats (Sq)
WIC/Phoenix Push on OPR
CCE (Sq)
ADO (Sq)
Chief (Sq)
Flt/CC

I used to care about the game, but all the above is worthless to me so I truly hope it doesn't come across as bragging.

Was a little worried that my record would push me into the top 93.5% but luckily I found myself in the bottom.

Thanks to all the senior guys on here who passed advice along the way.


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Pilots butchered at my wing, 78% promotion rate.  Many IPs/ FLT/CCs with no negative records.  I'm curious to see the board stats but this is UFB.

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Pilots butchered at my wing, 78% promotion rate.  Many IPs/ FLT/CCs with no negative records.  I'm curious to see the board stats but this is UFB.

If you don't mind sharing, what wing? Or at least what MWS?


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1 hour ago, ihtfp06 said:

 


Congrats! Seriously though, Capt ADO? That's like tits on a bull.


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All the FGO's got out home slice. Who else is going to be the CC and DO's "tasker slave?"

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Congrats! Seriously though, Capt ADO? That's like tits on a bull.

 

 

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I think it had more to do with running out of people to fill the slot (sts).

 

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6 hours ago, ihtfp06 said:


If you don't mind sharing, what wing? Or at least what MWS?


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No qualms sharing: Dyess 317th C-130J (just became a Wing)

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No qualms sharing: Dyess 317th C-130J (just became a Wing)

Not sure what the issue is with the 317th...Similar issues during the RIF back in 2010-ish. Back then we assumed it was the AG leadership...

 

 

 

 

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4 hours ago, Herk Driver said:

Not sure what the issue is with the 317th...Similar issues during the RIF back in 2010-ish. Back then we assumed it was the AG leadership...

 

 

 

 

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Rumor is LRAFB had similar stats, maybe it's just us 130 guys? Maybe all the Cols on the board are like Rhatigan and find us 130 guys "unprofessional."...

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11 hours ago, Duck said:

Letter to the IPZ board requesting to be passed over OPS CHECKS GOOD!

Passed over with a requested P from my WG/CC. (Originally #3 push w/DP before meeting)

Some of my strats to give hope that others can escape:

2 DGs
#1 Sq CGO Strats (multiple)
#2 and 3 Gp CGO Strats
#1 Aircraft Commander Strat (Sq)
#1 and 2 IP Strats (Sq)
WIC/Phoenix Push on OPR
CCE (Sq)
ADO (Sq)
Chief (Sq)
Flt/CC

I used to care about the game, but all the above is worthless to me so I truly hope it doesn't come across as bragging.

Was a little worried that my record would push me into the top 93.5% but luckily I found myself in the bottom.
 

BLAH BLAH BLAH look at me i'm a douche.

No one cares about how much of a big deal you think you are duck, but keep posting away with your wealth of GK

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BLAH BLAH BLAH look at me i'm a douche.

No one cares about how much of a big deal you think you are duck, but keep posting away with your wealth of GK

That hurt my feelings brother. Why so angry? Did you get passed over but you wanted to stay? If so, I'm sorry man, best of luck in whatever you do in the future.

 

 

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2 minutes ago, Duck said:


That hurt my feelings brother. Why so angry? Did you get passed over but you wanted to stay?


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you're right, it was hurtful. sorry brother.

and no, not angry, just don't like to see stupid bragging masqueraded as something else. 

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9 minutes ago, T Pain said:

you're right, it was hurtful. sorry brother.

and no, not angry, just don't like to see stupid bragging masqueraded as something else. 

Bragging that I got passed over? I mean, yeah I feel like I won the lottery, but that post wasn't a "look at me" post. Talking to all my buddies who got promoted this cycle, they kept saying, "Dude the promotion rate is gonna be 94%, you don't have a chance to get passed over". They are all fed up with the AF as much as I am, yet they didn't want to try because they thought it wouldn't matter. 

I could have better prefaced the reason for posting my $hitty AF resume, which now means jack $hit since I am a passed over Capt, but honestly it is only to encourage other IPZers a way out of the suck. Maybe if more people tried it, the AF would listen, but probably not. All I know is that I am trying to make a better family life for my wife and the little ones.

I have more failures than successes in the AF, and got lucky a couple times with a couple good bosses. I know of better guys and pilots who got passed over because they didn't "check the right boxes". 

Bottom line, I have one foot out the door and I couldn't be happier right now. If I knew ya in real life, drinks would be on me. Cheers.

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4 hours ago, dream big said:

Rumor is LRAFB had similar stats, maybe it's just us 130 guys? Maybe all the Cols on the board are like Rhatigan and find us 130 guys "unprofessional."...

I'm beginning to believe there's some ground truth in that statement.  Big MAF has been non-promoting and downplaying the C-130 community for a decade now, and it's showing.  I personally think this is an outflow of some sincere C-130 hate that developed in SWA.  I wish this was hearsay, but got to see it first hand more than once: senior C-17 guys who fostered a deep and seething hatred at the idea that a C-130 might perform better at something than a C-17 (specifically airdrop and LZ efficiency in those conversations).  I love the C-17, and I think we need more of them, but C-130's are better at tacair because that's what they were built for.

Big Blue doesn't agree with that idea.  I didn't believe that sibling rivalry could actually impact this high in the scheme of maneuver, but I'm beginning to think otherwise.

Sorry to hear that the C-130 community is in such a state that dudes are not wanting to promote to O-4.  That says a lot.

Duck, good luck and I'm glad to hear you were able to get what you wanted.

16 months and counting...

FF

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