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Ironically those 13 are also attributable to the current admin's negotiating skills. Turns out cutting the Afghan gov out of negotiations and releasing a ton of taliban results in a cluster of a withdrawal. Does it really matter if it's literal plane fulls? Currently Iran is getting additional income via "tolls" and an alleged $25B of funds from negotiations that far exceeds the release of their own funds under Obama's deal. Tbd. The $300B figure which has been verified by our own VP is allegedly gulf state funded. It isn't released "unless they perform" which sounds a lot like the old deal we had... Just with a lot more cash. I wouldn't be surprised if it's a shell game to save face and a significant chunk of funds come from the US. The conflict itself has cost taxpayers an estimated $110B+ to date. The official figure is around $50B but that doesn't account for inflationary costs (primarily fuel) associated with the war. If you want to claim I'm lying feel free to provide some sources. But at the moment we've got: https://www.reuters.com/business/energy/iran-says-draft-us-deal-includes-oil-sanctions-waiver-nuclear-limits-asset-2026-06-14/ https://www.theguardian.com/world/2026/jun/16/jd-vance-details-us-iran-agreement-scepticism-republicans https://edition.cnn.com/2026/05/27/politics/iran-war-spending-cancelled-trainings-delayed-maintenance

Because you are not telling the truth... 1. Unlike the deal with Obama we are not flying a plane full of cash to start things off, this is performance based deal. They get ZERO access to the funds until they comply with the nuclear details that have yet to be fully agreed upon. 2. There are no taxpayer dollars, again ZERO U.S. dollars. .69 seconds of GoogleFu and your argument is displayed as nonsense. It cool if you don't like this deal but when you lie to try and make you points sound better...it turns out ungood. 13 deaths...horrible, the outrage should go both ways like the other 13 you don't ever mention. Marine Corps Staff Sergeant Darin T. Hoover Marine Corps Sergeant Johanny Rosario Pichardo Marine Corps Sergeant Nicole L. Gee Marine Corps Corporal Hunter Lopez Marine Corps Corporal Daegan W. Page Marine Corps Corporal Humberto A. Sanchez Marine Corps Lance Corporal David L. Espinoza Marine Corps Lance Corporal Jared M. Schmitz Marine Corps Lance Corporal Rylee J. McCollum Marine Corps Lance Corporal Dylan R. Merola Marine Corps Lance Corporal Kareem M. Nikoui Army Staff Sergeant Ryan C. Knauss Navy Hospital Corpsman Third Class Maxton W. Soviak

I can name at least 13 directly attributable to the current admin. "Pallets of cash" conveniently ignoring that legally it was Iran's own money that had been previously locked up. And we're now looking at paying them 15x that amount immediately and 176x that amount later on. And not out of Iran's frozen funds this time but out of our own taxpayers pockets to boot. This thread is hilariously quiet while everyone waits to get their talking points on how what I outlined above is actually the checkmate move in trump's 4d chess game and not what it is at face value. Total capitulation and global embarrassment.

Okay sure, let’s go back to one a few years ago where they loaded a C-17 full of cash for Iran and called it good. How many Americans have died at the hands of Iran since?

Unfortunately, Checks. "...B-52 had a mixed crew of military service members, government civilians, and contractors supporting the test mission", said Col. James Hayes, deputy commander of the 412th Test Wing at Edwards. Air & Space Forces MagazineEight Dead in B-52 Crash at EdwardsEight people who were aboard a B-52 bomber died in a fiery crash shortly after takeoff June 15 at Edwards Air Force Base, Calif.

20 years ago, PBD-720 announced the retirement of the U-2. I was interviewed in the press and said "the last U-2 pilot isn't out of elementary school yet". I should have said "the last U-2 pilot isn't out of kindergarten yet". https://www.upi.com/Defense-News/2006/01/04/Pentagon-to-retire-U-2-spy-plane/88231136416087/

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Guessing they had some test engineers...terrible loss.

Eight confirmed dead. Him Him 🥃

8 on board

Don't think so, that is the bird that has been testing the new AESA.

Testing the new engines? Supposed to start this year.

Fire truck slowly rolls around, chooses what to spray, then let's her water rip.

Fingers crossed they punched but those photos and videos don’t look good.

Fuck...looks like right on the runway too? Overhead footage shows there's nothing left. Low airspeed and low altitude are not good at all for the upstairs guys getting out. I don't even want to imagine about the N/RN.

Prayers to the crew. https://www.fox13now.com/us-news/military/b-52-crashes-at-edwards-air-force-base-in-california

I wish we'd be alive 150+ years from now to (hopefully) get a look at this period with (again, hopefully) clearer eyes on the totality of the last decade in relief. I think the Biden pardons now make sense given the multi-failed indictments from the DoJ. I thought it was shitty at the time, and while I still don't agree (bad policy, worse precedent) I understand. I'm expecting tons of pardons and an attempt at a self pardon out of the current admin. Always appreciate your comments even if we disagree.

Isn't that equally good though? Either no calls on flops, or cards for flops. I'll take a violent game of futbol over a flop fest with lots of whistle.

So setting aside the service members who died, aircraft we lost, facilities damaged, and stockpiles depleted let's see where we are at. Allies lost faith in our ability to defend them and pissed off our European allies for blind siding them. Chucked by Israel continously. Destroyed Iran's airforce and navy (as if they were ever a threat). Disrupted the global economy and validated Iran's ability to exert control over the strait and region using mines, drones, and ballistic missiles. Traded a deal that unfroze $1.7B of their cash for a deal that's going to unfreeze $25B of their casb and give them another $300B of our cash allegedly. Replaced extremist leadership with even more hardline military extremist leadership. Traded an inspected and managed uranium stockpile for unknown results but certainly not what's claimed. If the B-2s did the work they claimed last year, why are we here again? Any limitations not included in this deal. Explicitly excludes any missile program related concessions despite those on here saying that was a key flaw of Obama's deal. OH and killed a bunch of school kids making another generation or three of anti-american extremists in the region. Did we win daddy?

Did you happen to watch the Ivory Coast V Ecuador game yesterday...it was the complete opposite. At times it was like WWE and the refs were calling nothing.

And they've started issuing cards for flops, maybe this sport might finally take off in America.

I am cautiously optimistic like you, but not jumping up and down yet. Have you seen the outline of the deal? From what I read it differs from JCPOA in that it is performance based. The sanctions come off and the blockade ends when the straight opens. Eventually free up $25B of Iran's money as they meet other milestones. I much prefer a deal like this versus flying an airplane with pallets of cash just because they said they agree. As for the enriched materiel, they have "supposedly" agreed to no nukes and a plan dismantle their nuclear program, details to be negotiated... Indeed. They have far less traction these days and with the mid-terms approaching it is obvious Trump wants a deal in place, and oil back to $60 a barrel. Even with the back and forth oil is down 26% in the last 30 days and 4% just today at $74.50. I want you to be wrong, not to spike the ball but because I don't think any of us wants another forever war our kids have to fight. I will disagree for now, the jury is still out because a few things have happened. Iran's Air Force and Navy are completely toast. Yes they can still project power through TBMs and Drones but they are strategically in a much different place. Not saying it was worth it, just providing my BDA. Also, this fight reignited the discussion about building a bypass canal. A huge effort that likely won't happen but as an alternative plan the Gulf nations are investing heavily in extensive, multi-billion-dollar overland pipeline networks to secure their energy exports. The UAE operates the Abu Dhabi Crude Oil Pipeline, which pumps oil from the Habshan fields to the deep-water port of Fujairah on the Gulf of Oman, bypassing Hormuz completely. The UAE is aggressively accelerating a second parallel pipeline to double this export capacity. Saudi operates and is expanding the East-West Petroline, which transports millions of barrels of oil per day from the Eastern Province directly to the Red Sea port of Yanbu. And efforts have resumed to build the multi-billion-dollar proposals for a Gulf Strategic Energy Corridor, a network of pipelines linking Kuwait, Saudi Arabia, Qatar, the UAE, and Oman to the Arabian Sea. Amen

Fellas/sock-puppets, there are no tin pot dictators that trusted the US prior to this. Smoking Ghaddafi ironed that out for them all. Everyone gets kid gloves after getting nukes, and death by unga bunga before that. Iran knew what it could do with the straight. That was true before the advent of drones or this most recent boondoggle. We argued about this same topic on this board 20 years ago, and that was one side of that argument then. Freedom of international water ways isn't a natural state of things, it is put in place by a global police state under the threat of war. Everyone had a good idea that said threat wasn't real anymore, and was just letting it ride for mutual benefit and caution.

This problem is an easy fix but there is a lack of political appetite to actually solve this - same could be said in this country until recently.

ah, he’s mad. What’s the bullshit again? What exactly do I not have knowledge of? Be specific. Let’s get back to the thing that you keep dancing around. What have we accomplished strategically? Multiple propagandists on this site stated this all was worth it to stop Iran from getting a nuke. Womp womp, well that talking point seems a bit dumb. Don’t they have the exact same amount of nuclear material, a more hardline government, a distrust of the US, and now understand that they can control the Straits of Hormuz anytime they want with shitty drones they can make themselves? On top of that, I predict that this deal terms will give them a disgusting amount of reparations that you all will cheer for like lemmings.