dream big Posted May 4, 2017 Share Posted May 4, 2017 8 hours ago, Duck said: It's all a test to see how those 8 will do. Judging by how AMC defines "success" I expect around 4-6 Gp Execs get slotted for this and the program ends up crashing and burning just like all the higher ups are hoping it will. But at least they can say "we tried!" Sent from my iPhone using Baseops Network Forums Naw man, just group execs? Obviously they weren't tier one. Maybe if they were wing execs! Better yet, aide-de-camps. I mean that's what the Air Force values these days. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Duck Posted May 4, 2017 Share Posted May 4, 2017 Most the WG Execs I know are too old for this program. Exceptions exist, but of the year groups they are looking to crossflow, the T-38 drops were pretty good. Makes me wonder just what kind of talent they are going to be able to scrape up. Sent from my iPhone using Baseops Network Forums Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
di1630 Posted May 5, 2017 Share Posted May 5, 2017 wins the Nighthawk Trophy as the top F-117 pilot in their fleet-wide competition.Was the main event who could monitor their autopilot the best? All kidding aside, real curious on what a -117 competition consisted of. Sent from my iPhone using Baseops Network Forums Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AD2ANG Posted January 24, 2018 Share Posted January 24, 2018 Palace Chase Question: Active duty pilot (non- T-38) to ANG fighter squadron. I’ve heard that this is possible, but how? Asumming the unit wants to hire you, how do you get spun up in the T-38? 1. T-38 (where/how?) 2. IFF 3. B-Course Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Standby Posted January 27, 2018 Share Posted January 27, 2018 On 1/24/2018 at 2:03 AM, AD2ANG said: Palace Chase Question: Active duty pilot (non- T-38) to ANG fighter squadron. I’ve heard that this is possible, but how? Asumming the unit wants to hire you, how do you get spun up in the T-38? 1. T-38 (where/how?) 2. IFF 3. B-Course T-38 transition at KRND likely followed by IFF at KRND. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
matmacwc Posted January 28, 2018 Share Posted January 28, 2018 I’ve never seen it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hindsight2020 Posted January 28, 2018 Share Posted January 28, 2018 yup, so-called D course at PIT. It's not just for non-T38 priors, TPS heavy bound guys and initial qual only topoffs (RPA support T38 drivers at Edwards) also get an spin up. It sucks a lot for the never 38 at UPT, unless that dude happened to have some A model time in some CTP program, at which point it's a distinction without difference. Cold turkey D-course to IFF? The struggle bus rate is high on that one. These days I consider that squarely in the personal favor/legacy case, for a unit to spend the money to send you to T-38 topoff and IFF to wingman as a senior Capt/junior Major. AFRC has deeper pockets so presumably it wouldn't be as noticeable on the money fund (school tours are central funded by the MAJCOM), though it would still fall in the PFA bucket. A guard unit would stand more to lose financially, considering the high washout rate of such a stunt. I will say though, today is probably the best time to pull that, as IFF is pretty hamburger helper these days with this whole pilot shortage canard. Back in 04- 07? Crush city. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SocialD Posted January 28, 2018 Share Posted January 28, 2018 I've seen it once circa 2009. Dude was hired to fly Vipers back in the day, but his squadron converted to tankers before UPT. He ended up flying T-1s and spent 4-5 years flying tankers before he got a Viper squadron to sponsor him. They sent him to RND for some sort of condensed 38 program then up to SPS for IFF. Washed out and re-instated at IFF. Ended up washing out toward the end of the B-Course. Good dude that seemed to try hard, just wasn't in the cards. For a grass isn't always greener anecdote, I know quite a few guys that are leaving fighter to go fly tankers/UAVs/etc... Some have to do with toxic leadership within their squadrons, others it's just a general ease of part time life kind of thing. A few more have just bailed on flying all together and filled Academy Liaison or AOC gigs. Either way, goodluck! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LookieRookie Posted January 28, 2018 Share Posted January 28, 2018 On 1/27/2018 at 9:24 AM, Standby said: T-38 transition at KRND likely followed by IFF at KRND. And just for an anecdote, there was a recent guard UPT graduate that switched to a fighter unit in UPT but was T-1s. He went to RND right after UPT and did the T-38 Transition aka Phase III lite. He should be in IFF right now. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
12xu2a3x3 Posted February 5, 2018 Share Posted February 5, 2018 On 1/27/2018 at 11:46 PM, hindsight2020 said: yup, so-called D course at PIT. It's not just for non-T38 priors, TPS heavy bound guys and initial qual only topoffs (RPA support T38 drivers at Edwards) also get an spin up. It sucks a lot for the never 38 at UPT, unless that dude happened to have some A model time in some CTP program, at which point it's a distinction without difference. Cold turkey D-course to IFF? The struggle bus rate is high on that one. These days I consider that squarely in the personal favor/legacy case, for a unit to spend the money to send you to T-38 topoff and IFF to wingman as a senior Capt/junior Major. AFRC has deeper pockets so presumably it wouldn't be as noticeable on the money fund (school tours are central funded by the MAJCOM), though it would still fall in the PFA bucket. A guard unit would stand more to lose financially, considering the high washout rate of such a stunt. I will say though, today is probably the best time to pull that, as IFF is pretty hamburger helper these days with this whole pilot shortage canard. Back in 04- 07? Crush city. this is guard only correct? there's no one getting sent after say being T-1 trained and T-6 FAIPing? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hindsight2020 Posted February 6, 2018 Share Posted February 6, 2018 5 hours ago, 12xu2a3x3 said: this is guard only correct? there's no one getting sent after say being T-1 trained and T-6 FAIPing? I have no SA on who regAF cross flows these days and how. My comments dealt with the ARC. 100% chance of not getting whatever if you don't ask, but I wouldn't bet the farm on it as a plan A. The scope of my comment was just to highlight there is a conduit to cross flow dude a non-38 guy outside of UPT, rare as it may be. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
12xu2a3x3 Posted February 6, 2018 Share Posted February 6, 2018 4 minutes ago, hindsight2020 said: I have no SA on who regAF cross flows these days and how. My comments dealt with the ARC. 100% chance of not getting whatever if you don't ask, but I wouldn't bet the farm on it as a plan A. The scope of my comment was just to highlight there is a conduit to cross flow dude a non-38 guy outside of UPT, rare as it may be. 2, thanks Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Harambe Posted May 19, 2018 Share Posted May 19, 2018 Would a T-38 trained heavy driver have a shot at crossflow? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dudemanbro Posted May 27, 2018 Share Posted May 27, 2018 A former 135 guy is about to go through the 22 b course here at Tyndall. As far as I know, he did 38 White jets last assignment...so he went straight to IFF Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hindsight2020 Posted May 27, 2018 Share Posted May 27, 2018 On 5/19/2018 at 2:04 AM, Harambe said: Would a T-38 trained heavy driver have a shot at crossflow? Absolutely, and it's happening more now that the 38 side of the UPT IP landscape has been stacked with heavy drivers. Numerical necessity has created pressure on the ol' "airframe ethnocentric" apartheid of Air Force pilot tracks. It's still statistically insignificant, but more examples are becoming a reality, which is a good thing considering the barn doors are already wide open and the horses have largely left the barn in this airline hiring wave. 46 minutes ago, Dude636 said: A former 135 guy is about to go through the 22 b course here at Tyndall. As far as I know, he did 38 White jets last assignment...so he went straight to IFF Yup, we had an C-17 (38 UPT tracked) guy finish his 38 white jet and go straight to IFF enroute to Strikes. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
matmacwc Posted May 27, 2018 Share Posted May 27, 2018 On 5/19/2018 at 12:04 AM, Harambe said: Would a T-38 trained heavy driver have a shot at crossflow? I don't see why not, the younger the better, so not set in their ways. I'd still go ANG or AFRC though, switching airframe's isn't a career "do over", in a lot of ways you'll be a red headed step child, but still a red headed step child that fly's fighters for one or two assignments. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BashiChuni Posted May 28, 2018 Share Posted May 28, 2018 FWIW one of the c-17 crossflow guys was DG at IFF. 3 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Switch408 Posted May 28, 2018 Share Posted May 28, 2018 9 hours ago, Dude636 said: A former 135 guy is about to go through the 22 b course here at Tyndall. As far as I know, he did 38 White jets last assignment...so he went straight to IFF Semantics, but it was actually the C-17 guy that was coming from a white jet tour. The 135 guy did a requal in 38s at Randolph, then IFF. Great dude. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BashiChuni Posted May 28, 2018 Share Posted May 28, 2018 2 minutes ago, Switch408 said: Semantics, but it was actually the C-17 guy that was coming from a white jet tour. The 135 guy did a requal in 38s at Randolph, then IFF. Great dude. Huge “2” on both points Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dream big Posted May 28, 2018 Share Posted May 28, 2018 2 hours ago, BashiChuni said: FWIW one of the c-17 crossflow guys was DG at IFF. Good for him! Although It probably helped that he spent the last 3 years mastering the T-38, while his IFF classmates had just finished UPT. Regardless, it shows that MAF to CAF can be successful. Hopefully he continues to excel in the B course. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BroncoEN Posted May 28, 2018 Share Posted May 28, 2018 I know a herk dude in vipers. If a prop guy can do it, anyone can! 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
di1630 Posted May 28, 2018 Share Posted May 28, 2018 I know a herk dude in vipers. If a prop guy can do it, anyone can!Back in the 90’s it was more common. I flew with some awesome guys who went from herks to F-15C and A-10’s. Even a helo guy who went to fightersI found they had great perspective and probably appreciated their fighter more than others who knew nothing different. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
isuguy1234 Posted May 31, 2018 Share Posted May 31, 2018 C17 bubba doin the F35 bcourse later this year too Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gear3green Posted June 3, 2018 Share Posted June 3, 2018 Wondering how hard would it be for a reserve Heavy bubba to get into fighters down the road. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sprkt69 Posted June 3, 2018 Share Posted June 3, 2018 1 hour ago, gear3green said: Wondering how hard would it be for a reserve Heavy bubba to get into fighters down the road. Two questions would be did they fly -38s in UPT a d how old are they. Plus they’d have to pass the bro check Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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