What's an SGTO?

What's an SGTO?

Small group tryout. Think test class to ensure the syllabus/courseware/training is good

Small group tryout. Think test class to ensure the syllabus/courseware/training is good

Good is an overstatement I hear.

7 hours ago, ThreeHoler said:

 

Good is an overstatement I hear.

 

Didn’t know you were involved in the -46 SGTO?

CAFB had a T38A drop, too. Not sure why they didn’t include that on the list. 

Buffs are back on the menu and in force! No longer are the bottom of the T-38 class guaranteed a viper which was becoming such a work ethic issue

18 hours ago, Air_Space said:

Buffs are back on the menu and in force! No longer are the bottom of the T-38 class guaranteed a viper which was becoming such a work ethic issue

Why are Vipers considered bottom tier selection? 

Why are Vipers considered bottom tier selection? 

More that there were so many assignments available even the bottom of the class was getting them.

KCMB 22-10:

• AC-130, Hurlburt
• C-17, Hickam
• 3x U-28, Hurlburt
• KC-46, McGuire
• C-130H, CT ANG
• KC-135, MS ANG
• KC-135, UT ANG
• 3x T-6 FAIP, Columbus
• C-17, Dover
• C-17, McGuire
• C-17, McChord
• KC-135, Mildenhall
• C-17, Charleston
• C-12, Elmendorf
• T-38 FAIP, Columbus
• F-22, Eglin
• F-16, TBD
• B-52, Barksdale

KSPS 22-05:

• 6x F-16, TBD
• 2x B-52, Barksdale
• 3x Typhoon, RAF Coningsby
• 2x F-22, Eglin
• 2x Typhoon, Laage AB
• 2x F-35, Eglin
• RC-135, Offut
• 2x Typhoon
• T-38 FAIP, Sheppard
• C-146, Duke Field
• B-1, Dyess

 

KEND 22-10:

T-1s:

• HC-130 - DM
• C-17 - Dover
• C-17 - Elmendorf
• C-17 - McChord
• C-5 - Dover
• KC-135 - McConnell
• KC-135 - McConnell
• KC-135 - Guard (Not sure where)
• KC-135 - McLaughlin ANG WV
• KC-46 - McConnell
• U-28 - Hurlburt
• T-6 FAIP - Vance

 

T-38s:

• 1 x F-35
• 4 x F-16
• 1 x T-6 FAIP - Vance (11F Follow On)
• 1 x F-15C , Portland Guard
• 1 x  A-10 , Whiteman Reserves

 

 

KDLF 22-10:

T-1s:

• C-5 - Travis
• C-5 - Dover ANG
• C-17 - Hickam ANG
• C-17 - McChord
• C-17 - Dover
• C-17 - Travis
• KC-46 - McConnell AFRC
• KC-46 - McGuire
• KC-135 - Fairchild
• KC-135 - Forbes ANG
• C-130J - Dyess
• MC-130J - Kirtland
• T-6 FAIP - Laughlin (11H Follow On)
• T-6 FAIP - Laughlin (11M Follow On)
• ANG Unsponsored

T-38s:

• 1 x F-22
• 2 x F-16 (1 Guard)
• 1 x B-1
• 1 x AC-130
• 1 x T-6 FAIP - Laughlin (11F Follow On)
• 1 x T-38 FAIP - Laughlin (11F Follow On)

 

KCBM 22-11

T-1s:

• C-5 - Travis
• C-17 - WV ANG
• C-17 - TN ANG
• C-17 - Charleston
• C-17 - PA AFRC
• C-17 - PA AFRC
• C-130H - Japan
• C-130H - NY ANG
• EC-130 - DM
• KC-46 - McConnell
• KC-135 - MacDill
• T-6 - Columbus (11M Follow On)

T-38s:

• 1 x F-15E
• 3 x F16
• 1 x T-38A ADAIR - Langley
• 1 x A-10
• 1 x T-38 FAIP Columbus (11F Follow on)
• 1 x T-6 FAIP Columbus (11B Follow on)

 

KEND 22-11

T-38s:

• 1 x F-22
• 3 x F-16 (1 x Tulsa ANG)
• 1 x F-15E 
• 1 x T-38 FAIP Vance (11F Follow-on)
• 1 x T-6 FAIP Vance (11F Follow-on)
• 1 x B-52

I don't have the T-1 side of the house, sorry

Since when did they start promising FAIPs follow ons and how does that work? 

7 minutes ago, LiquidSky said:

Since when did they start promising FAIPs follow ons and how does that work? 

I think 22-09 was the first set of classes that got told what their follow-on was going to be. I'm not entirely sure how its going to work though

55 minutes ago, GT35 said:

I think 22-09 was the first set of classes that got told what their follow-on was going to be. I'm not entirely sure how its going to work though

If you stay in long enough, you’ll see what happened years ago (then ended), come back again.

I've seen a lot of follow-on promises in 13 years...take guesses as to how many actually came true, I'll wait.

Like AFPC's assignment of preference/follow-on promise (aka policy) falling way unfulfilled and being totally, recently rescinded...wonder how many that lives that affected? AFPC and/or the functionals probably neither care nor know.

I can tell ya the little birdie rumint stuff from 19th. This hair brained idea comes from you know who, the most famous instagram meme person on the AETC side himself. Shocker.

At any rate, the RUMINT is this was done to walk the 11B recipients (who largely still view themselves as the losers of the lottery, good bad or indifferent) off the ledge of making career-chucking decisions. This as opposed to the end-game toxicity that usually befalls those who have been busting their hump for 3 years in UPT to end up getting sideswiped by rules #1 and #2 of military life. The gaining commands are basically complaining they can't get them copacetic in time, they need three years. Six months to two weeks from being gained is not cutting it goes the rumor grievance.

 

 

Edited June 5, 20223 yr by hindsight2020

At any rate, the RUMINT is this was done to walk the 11B recipients (who largely still view themselves as the losers of the lottery, good bad or indifferent) off the ledge of making career-chucking decisions.
 
 

How does this do anything for 11B recipients? It seems it’ll just cause more 11Bs to drop at UPT down the road, once the current FAIPs with 11F follow-ons complete their FAIP assignment and fill all the fighter B-course slots.


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45 minutes ago, CaptainMorgan said:

How does this do anything for 11B recipients? It seems it’ll just cause more 11Bs to drop at UPT down the road, once the current FAIPs with 11F follow-ons complete their FAIP assignment and fill all the fighter B-course slots.


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No, we're talking about 11B follow-on recipients. And you're missing the point (well, as they see it anyways). It's not meant to do anything for the lottery loser; not anything that they care about anyways (namely, get a fighter in the first place, ostensibly the reason they went 38s). It's meant as a management-of-expectations tool for the benefit of the gaining bomber command. I contend it's virtue signaling, the manning realities of a mismanaged functional command like AFPC will quickly make this effort moot.

To wit, it's basically the AF equivalent of that spiel Bob Slydell told Lumberg when he explained why they preferred to fire people on a Friday. Clear as mud?

 

P.S. sweet I got another Office space reference in, when talking USAF broken dreams.

 

Edited June 5, 20223 yr by hindsight2020

FAIP plus get an 11B follow-on. Those dudes/dudettes have no incentive to crush themselves for 3 years by flying 3 times a day and volunteering for every stupid tasker that comes down from the boss. They don’t have to play the FAIP game at all, unless they’re trying to fly the B-21 I guess. It sucks but it might be better than 3 years of nut crushing only to lose out again.

2 hours ago, Boomer6 said:

FAIP plus get an 11B follow-on. Those dudes/dudettes have no incentive to crush themselves for 3 years by flying 3 times a day and volunteering for every stupid tasker that comes down from the boss. They don’t have to play the FAIP game at all, unless they’re trying to fly the B-21 I guess. It sucks but it might be better than 3 years of nut crushing only to lose out again.

False hope is literally the AF’s favorite management tool.  Without it, the Bobs might actually have to lead.  

Back at ENJJPT you had to be in the top half of your class to FAIP, but during the glory days 15 out of 20 students would get fighters. So at worst the FAIP would be 10 out of 20 and five or six guys below him would go fly fighters. How bad it must have sucked when the FAIP drop came out and he ended up getting a bomber.


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Back at ENJJPT you had to be in the top half of your class to FAIP, but during the glory days 15 out of 20 students would get fighters. So at worst the FAIP would be 10 out of 20 and five or six guys below him would go fly fighters. How bad it must have sucked when the FAIP drop came out and he ended up getting a bomber.


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They’ve never expressed discontent about this, for sure!

On 6/6/2022 at 11:06 AM, HU&W said:

False hope is literally the AF’s favorite management tool.  Without it, the Bobs might actually have to lead.  

Take my freaking up-vote. However, the bobs porked it away, now there’s no false hope for 11B follow on guys. Just hookin’ their way to a cush 3 year assignment racking up enough hours to go to the airlines when their ADSC is up.

False hope is literally the AF’s favorite management tool.  Without it, the Bobs might actually have to lead.  

It’s really the only management tool

“Bust your ass and maybe you can get *insert desired assignment here*”

“Do this to make sure you don’t close any doors”



I quit that game years ago


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