bennynova Posted October 8, 2016 Share Posted October 8, 2016 Deborah Lee James changed the boards so that the "best" packages get promoted regardless of year group . Thus lowering the effective promotion rate of the ITZ year group bord is no longer allowed to discriminate based on year group Enjoy it while it lasts Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Twelve-tribes Posted October 8, 2016 Share Posted October 8, 2016 13 hours ago, Craftsman said: So if you were just passed over on this board (07) year group, you are f'd as the (08) board meets in march so nothing will change in your prf but your meeting your above the line in 6 months. Does this check? That is now an even more f'd system. The same will go for the (08) guys meet in march 2017 if you are passed over you will go into the (09) which will meet 6-9 months later in dec of 17. Sent from my iPhone using Baseops Network Forums So yeah that's also the crazy aspect of this scenario. For my situation assuming I get continued (haven't seen the letter yet) I don't even have to decide to continue until after the accounting date and my old unit is looking for my next PRF! As for the first board guys the same situation happened to me in Jan this year with the board release and the next board 5 months later. You essentially have 1 board unless your leadership sets you up right. In my case the board failed to see yes I didn't fit the mold of progression but I went back to fill a position you needed and I am building back up. Total oversight on big blue's part. Bottom line is if I stayed a WSO I would probably be a major but since I changed and helped you out I am looked down upon. This is the flaw of the central boards and lack of checks and balances. If the AF were a major corporation like the airlines and our leadership had a stake (stocks) in how well it performed (profits) they would think twice about this. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fire4effect Posted October 8, 2016 Share Posted October 8, 2016 (edited) 36 minutes ago, Duck said: I think the last 2 boards have been like 20-28% promotion rate for ABZ!!! Sent from my iPhone using Baseops Network Forums 33 minutes ago, pawnman said: That rated manning crisis is really helping some folks. I recently worked with the spouse of a rated Air Force O-5 who made O-6 ABZ. They had accepted that his career was over and were making serious retirement plans. They just did a PCS on the way to finish the 3 years he'll need to retire as an O-6. To say they were surprised is putting it mildly. Their guess was that somebody on the board who knew him said WTF. Edited October 8, 2016 by fire4effect Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ThreeHoler Posted October 8, 2016 Share Posted October 8, 2016 So what's the best (non self destructive) way of not getting offered continuation/getting IVSP? If we go Guard/Reserve, will we have to pay back the IVSP (out of retirement?) Expected/planned passed over IPZ - knew what the game was and decided not to play it. Thankful for the experience but excited to start the next chapter. As an 11X? Not going to happen. 11X are considered critical career fields for the continuation board. Every 11X should expect to be continued to the max limit: 20 for Capt; 24 for Maj; 28 for Lt Col. At least for the short term. I've heard from reputable sources that the stars are genuinely worried about the pilot retention problem. Sent from my iPhone using Baseops Network Forums Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
08Dawg Posted October 8, 2016 Share Posted October 8, 2016 19 hours ago, bennynova said: Deborah Lee James changed the boards so that the "best" packages get promoted regardless of year group . Thus lowering the effective promotion rate of the ITZ year group bord is no longer allowed to discriminate based on year group Enjoy it while it lasts Although, this helped two of our guys (both good dudes who should've made it before) make it one above this year. Having two boards in a calendar year tells me we're hurting for majors, so IMHO this isn't necessarily a bad thing. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Muscle2002 Posted October 9, 2016 Share Posted October 9, 2016 Deborah Lee James changed the boards so that the "best" packages get promoted regardless of year group Seems to be true. I just learned that an old Academy squadron mate was picked up for Major on his 5 ABZ board.Sent from my iPad using Baseops Network Forums 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ram Posted October 9, 2016 Share Posted October 9, 2016 (edited) 2 hours ago, Muscle2002 said: Seems to be true. I just learned that an old Academy squadron mate was picked up for Major on his 5 ABZ board. Sent from my iPad using Baseops Network Forums Edited October 9, 2016 by Ram Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Skitzo Posted October 11, 2016 Share Posted October 11, 2016 I know the 5ATZ guy in question. The AF finally got it right. Line number 1. Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ram Posted October 11, 2016 Share Posted October 11, 2016 Badass. I am just surprised. Just a year ago this would have been totally impossible. Let's keep the good changes rolling.Sent from my iPhone using Baseops Network Forums Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
guineapigfury Posted October 11, 2016 Share Posted October 11, 2016 I know a guy who got picked up on his 8th look at last years board. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ram Posted October 11, 2016 Share Posted October 11, 2016 I know a guy who got picked up on his 8th look at last years board.Ok, now you're just fvcking with us.Sent from my iPhone using Baseops Network Forums Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
guineapigfury Posted October 11, 2016 Share Posted October 11, 2016 I'm not. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Disco_Nav963 Posted October 11, 2016 Share Posted October 11, 2016 Wait a tick... Dudes that are twice passed-over and given still continuation still have to do PRFs? I had no idea. Glad they're not going into the shredder for these dudes. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bennynova Posted October 11, 2016 Share Posted October 11, 2016 Correct disco . Their PRFs used to be blanked out, but it's starting to change now. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
D_Vezencuando Posted October 11, 2016 Share Posted October 11, 2016 On 10/7/2016 at 5:47 AM, Craftsman said: So if you were just passed over on this board (07) year group, you are f'd as the (08) board meets in march so nothing will change in your prf but your meeting your above the line in 6 months. Does this check? That is now an even more f'd system. The same will go for the (08) guys meet in march 2017 if you are passed over you will go into the (09) which will meet 6-9 months later in dec of 17. Sent from my iPhone using Baseops Network Forums Craftsman, Check the PSDM announcing the next cycle's schedule. I'm off the .mil this week, but recall a paragraph that addressed your situation. In addition to the Commander's MFR, those who lacked an interim OPR or Training Report had a way to add to their PRF. At any rate, check MyPers. All the best, SAS Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
yankeetango Posted October 11, 2016 Share Posted October 11, 2016 84.6% promotion rate for the 16C board. Correct me if I'm wrong, but is that 10% higher than the historical average?Sent from my iPad using Tapatalk Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Duck Posted October 12, 2016 Share Posted October 12, 2016 According to the promotion stats on mypers those are significantly lower than previous boards. Last years board was 92.7% IPZ, 91.8% in 2014. In fact the last time it was that low was 1998 at 82.6%. This has got to be a typo. My guess is it was 94.6%.Sent from my iPhone using Baseops Network Forums Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ram Posted October 12, 2016 Share Posted October 12, 2016 Maybe they increased the size of the pool of eligible O-3s to include APZ cats several years on...Sent from my iPhone using Baseops Network Forums 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Duck Posted October 12, 2016 Share Posted October 12, 2016 Does anyone know how long it takes to publish the stats?Sent from my iPhone using Baseops Network Forums Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bennynova Posted October 12, 2016 Share Posted October 12, 2016 Is the spreadsheet with these numbers in it not out yet? i think it's an effective 84.6 rate for the IPZ guys there was probably a larger % of APZ than in past years being that this was the 2nd year the board didn't care what zone you were in Last year would have been higher, but no one knew to submit filled out prfs Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Duck Posted October 12, 2016 Share Posted October 12, 2016 I checked mypers promotion stats today and the last one posted was last year. The overall # of pilots promoted was less than last years I noticed.Sent from my iPhone using Baseops Network Forums Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pawnman Posted October 12, 2016 Share Posted October 12, 2016 21 hours ago, Disco_Nav963 said: Wait a tick... Dudes that are twice passed-over and given still continuation still have to do PRFs? I had no idea. Glad they're not going into the shredder for these dudes. They used to do all the paperwork exercise associated with a PRF, only to have them turned in blank. Then they get to go with the guys meeting the board for the first time and get the blank PRF handed back to them by the WG/CC anyway. Huge waste of time and effort for everyone involved. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pawnman Posted October 12, 2016 Share Posted October 12, 2016 11 hours ago, Duck said: I checked mypers promotion stats today and the last one posted was last year. The overall # of pilots promoted was less than last years I noticed. Sent from my iPhone using Baseops Network Forums I wonder if that's because so many bailed prior to the board, or were using other gamesmanship to get passed over and get out. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
xaarman Posted October 12, 2016 Share Posted October 12, 2016 13 hours ago, Duck said: Does anyone know how long it takes to publish the stats? Sent from my iPhone using Baseops Network Forums Stats are up at http://access.afpc.af.mil/vbinDMZ/broker.exe?_program=DEMOGPUB.static_reports.sas&_service=pZ1pub1&_debug=0 Scroll to [Promotions] INDIVIDUAL LINE MAJ2016 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
matmacwc Posted October 12, 2016 Share Posted October 12, 2016 Wow, 11 BTZ LtCols with no IDE and a DP got promoted. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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