panchbarnes Posted November 5, 2014 Share Posted November 5, 2014 What about subsequent looks for a school slot. What's that based on? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bender Posted November 5, 2014 Share Posted November 5, 2014 What about subsequent looks for a school slot. What's that based on? Might be easier to answer what it isn't based on... Bendy Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AlphaMikeFoxtrot Posted November 5, 2014 Share Posted November 5, 2014 What about subsequent looks for a school slot. What's that based on? My understanding is it's DT vectors and your subsequent Wing push. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dupe Posted November 5, 2014 Share Posted November 5, 2014 What about subsequent looks for a school slot. What's that based on? Luck and timing. 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
11F Posted November 5, 2014 Share Posted November 5, 2014 For the Majors board, what % of people get strats in the push line? Is it a standard number or does it vary by Senior Rater? If you don't get a strat, are your chances of school select slim to none? Thanks Anecdotal evidence from a PRF written in 2010 for the Dec-10 Majors board: #5/13 strat on his PRF with a DP was a school select. That's the only hard evidence I have to help answer your question. (It probably didn't hurt that the guy was #1 in his entire SOS class) Posted from the NEW Baseops.net App! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tac airlifter Posted November 5, 2014 Share Posted November 5, 2014 Anecdotal evidence from a PRF written in 2010 for the Dec-10 Majors board: #5/13 strat on his PRF with a DP was a school select. That's the only hard evidence I have to help answer your question. (It probably didn't hurt that the guy was #1 in his entire SOS class) Posted from the NEW Baseops.net App! That's a perfect example of the tomfoolery ASW SOS strats. Unless #1-4 were also selects, it's disheartening to see an SOS strat drive the entire machine. Yet it does. We frequently see guys rated higher by MAJCOM passed over for school slots by folks who are rated lower in every category except SOS. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
zach braff Posted November 5, 2014 Share Posted November 5, 2014 I have a bud who was a Senior Rater's #5/11 who got tagged as a select, and I know two others who were SRs' #1/4 & #1/3 who did not. While I'm not much for the over-emphasis on SOS, Liquid was right when he said that strats are important but aren't everything. The bottom line carries a lot of weight, probably more weight than any other strat in the PRF - but it isn't necessarily everything. If it was, why would we even bother with PRFs - the SRs could just rank order everyone and be done. I recall coming across a slide from a year or two ago entitled "what we value" for promotions that was briefed to a Corona. The items I remember seeing for the O-4 category were (not in any particular order): - mission accomplishment/results/scope - combat/deployments - awards - combat decorations & decorations - strats - IG results/inspections - DGs - progression in organizations - instructor - PME - ??? may have been one or two others but those are the ones I recall Chime in Liquid - does this look fairly close to what boards are looking at in records? zb Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
11F Posted November 6, 2014 Share Posted November 6, 2014 In the case of the dude being #1 in his SOS class but being #5/13 on his PRF, I'd like to think the WG/CC knew this guy would be a school select and therefore tried to use his higher strats on others? I don't know how #1-#4 faired on the board though. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Liquid Posted November 6, 2014 Share Posted November 6, 2014 At the Corona last fall, the MAJCOM CCs and CSAF talked about what we value as an AF and what we should value at promotion boards. I helped chop on the input below that was sent to CSAF and HAF A1 from our MAJCOM CC. He sent this in Oct: "What we value in every officer for promotion (in priority order) Capt to Major 1. Job performance (AC, IP, EP, WIC, AMU OIC, FLT CC, etc) 2. Leading Airmen both in garrison and deployed 3. Combat deployments, deployed mission commander 4. SOS 5. Additional duties: exec, safety, training, current ops & scheduling, plans, etc. This provides us insight into which officers can master their primary skill set and also handle increased responsibility. 6. Optional: Masters Degree Major to Lt Col 1. Job performance 2. Leading Airmen both in garrison and deployed 3. Combat deployment mission commander 4. Joint job - GCC, OSD, JS, Inter-agency 5. HQs job- HAF, MAJCOM 6. IDE either in-residence or correspondence 7. Masters degree Lt Col to Col 1. Job performance 2. Squadron commander 3. Leading Airmen both in-garrison and deployed mission commander 4. Joint job - GCC, OSD, JS, Inter-agency 5. HQs job- HAF, MAJCOM 6. SDE either in-residence or correspondence 7. Masters degree" Not sure what the response was or if there was one. I've heard the CSAF and A1 are working on the vector and new promotion board guidance. Hopefully this guidance will include masking AAD at O-4 board, MLR and prohibit using it for DP consideration. 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
panchbarnes Posted November 6, 2014 Share Posted November 6, 2014 Better late than never.. http://www.af.mil/mobile/News/tabid/252/Article/551311/csaf-discusses-advanced-academic-degree-pme-for-officer-promotions.aspx Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
zmoney Posted November 6, 2014 Share Posted November 6, 2014 Translation: "Quit worrying about this crap. #1: Do your jobs. #2: Spend time with your families (until Colonel)." Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ravens52 Posted November 7, 2014 Share Posted November 7, 2014 (edited) Better late than never..http://www.af.mil/mobile/News/tabid/252/Article/551311/csaf-discusses-advanced-academic-degree-pme-for-officer-promotions.aspx Damn straight! It's good we are starting to get the ball rolling in the right direction... It's going to be even more important to keep it rolling-looking at you Wg/CCs and future leadership. As mentioned earlier, "be good at your job/do your job", work hard, take care of others, and unfortunately luck, timing, and who you know will help you out. Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk Edited November 7, 2014 by Ravens52 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DirkDiggler Posted November 7, 2014 Share Posted November 7, 2014 The AAD elephant is institutional and its going to take a while to change people's way of thinking. Example, I recently did a career day where OTS cadets get to talk to someone in their AFSCs for a while about what their job will be like. A cadet asked whether he should start a masters degree now before he got to pilot training since "he had some time" (was going to be casual for several months). My answer was no way, the CSAF said that's not important and if you're worrying about a masters going through UPT your're ing up. All 3 O-5s in the room told him it was a good idea to get it started and his thinking was good. Its gonna take awhile, I just hope that Welsh can position a successor that has similar ideas to his about whats important in the AF. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
theat6bisasham Posted November 7, 2014 Share Posted November 7, 2014 Dude, we have come completely 360* full circle on this issue.... I can still remember the day, as a 1Lt maybe 10 or 12 years ago when the OG said "If the air force wants you to get a masters, we will send you to AFIT/whatever"...that was awesome for my free time allocation decision matrix... 4 years later they sent a PDSM giving us i think 16-18 months headsup that they were unmasking degrees for the 2008 majors board... All i'm saying is, buyer beware on this whole BS....i'd put money on the whole thing going the same direction in the next 4 years. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest ThatGuy Posted November 7, 2014 Share Posted November 7, 2014 The AAD elephant is institutional and its going to take a while to change people's way of thinking. Example, I recently did a career day where OTS cadets get to talk to someone in their AFSCs for a while about what their job will be like. A cadet asked whether he should start a masters degree now before he got to pilot training since "he had some time" (was going to be casual for several months). My answer was no way, the CSAF said that's not important and if you're worrying about a masters going through UPT your're ######ing up. All 3 O-5s in the room told him it was a good idea to get it started and his thinking was good. Its gonna take awhile, I just hope that Welsh can position a successor that has similar ideas to his about whats important in the AF. Hmmmm, I think there has been rumblings on this forum the next CSAF might be a female and not a flyer. Different ideas on the horizon. I think the AF could use a bit of change. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ram Posted November 8, 2014 Share Posted November 8, 2014 Hmmmm, I think there has been rumblings on this forum the next CSAF might be a female and not a flyer. Different ideas on the horizon. I think the AF could use a bit of change. http://www.af.mil/AboutUs/Biographies/Display/tabid/225/Article/107934/general-janet-c-wolfenbarger.aspx ????????? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Majestik Møøse Posted November 8, 2014 Share Posted November 8, 2014 ????????? I sure hope not. A warfighting organization needs a warfighter as a leader, not an administrator. That's what the SECAF position is for. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dupe Posted November 8, 2014 Share Posted November 8, 2014 http://www.af.mil/AboutUs/Biographies/Display/tabid/225/Article/107934/general-janet-c-wolfenbarger.aspx ????????? I don't see it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
17D_guy Posted November 8, 2014 Share Posted November 8, 2014 This one? http://www.af.mil/AboutUs/Biographies/Display/tabid/225/Article/108119/general-lori-j-robinson.aspx Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wing Sweep Posted November 8, 2014 Share Posted November 8, 2014 Our next CSAF should be the best warrior/leader we have; period, dot. That should be the only qualification. Wait! They need to be great actors too, so they can smile at congress when they really want to throat punch them! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Herkasaurus Posted November 8, 2014 Share Posted November 8, 2014 http://www.af.mil/AboutUs/Biographies/Display/tabid/225/Article/107934/general-janet-c-wolfenbarger.aspx ????????? That's a dude who has done all his PME via correspondence. Except for his 2nd masters, which I suppose is the SDE equivalent since it was at the National Defense Univ in national resource strategy...specific to acquisitions methinks? Or it's a masters in recycling, I'll google it later when I give a shit. Granted his first masters at MIT in aerospace/aeronautical engineering is impressive, but what could he possibly bring to the table other than an 80's pompadour? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ThreeHoler Posted November 8, 2014 Share Posted November 8, 2014 That's a dude who has done all his PME via correspondence. Except for his 2nd masters, which I suppose is the SDE equivalent since it was at the National Defense Univ in national resource strategy...specific to acquisitions methinks? Or it's a masters in recycling, I'll google it later when I give a shit. Granted his first masters at MIT in aerospace/aeronautical engineering is impressive, but what could he possibly bring to the table other than an 80's pompadour? *She Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AA Posted November 8, 2014 Share Posted November 8, 2014 Mark the tape: Gen Lori Robinson will be the next CSAF. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Champ Kind Posted November 8, 2014 Share Posted November 8, 2014 Mark the tape: Gen Lori Robinson will be the next CSAF. We could definitely do worse... a lot worse. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nunya Posted November 8, 2014 Share Posted November 8, 2014 I heard it was gonna be McDew. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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