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How can you possibly know that you are top 15% of all FGOs on a base?

 

1, sounds like speeding (by your rather).... all the Lt Cols can’t be that bad....and a good Major strat would be easier to read for the board

2.  If you are too 15% of FGOs, then you should have a #X/XX Majs.  

3.  How many FGOs are on base?

 

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And yes the obvious answer is that your Senior Rater rates everyone on the base.... and if that’s the case, then OK.

 

but If a senior rater rates everyone on a base, then that’s an incredibly small base, and there probably weren’t too many DPs to go around   

 

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1 hour ago, bennynova said:

How can you possibly know that you are top 15% of all FGOs on a base?

 

1, sounds like speeding (by your rather).... all the Lt Cols can’t be that bad....and a good Major strat would be easier to read for the board

2.  If you are too 15% of FGOs, then you should have a #X/XX Majs.  

3.  How many FGOs are on base?

 

#17/119 FGOs
#7/81 Majors

#2/8 I/APZ
Edited to reply to your follow on - it's not that small a base, but my year group has been RIF'd twice.  There's only two of us on the base.

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#17/119 FGOs
#7/81 Majors
#2/8 I/APZ
Edited to reply to your follow on - it's not that small a base, but my year group has been RIF'd twice.  There's only two of us on the base.


So he didn’t have one outright DP if it was 55% allocation. He lost at the MLR when he tried to get the #1 guy a DP thus the #1 got the silver bullet that I got “if I had a DP to give...”

Sucks man. Was pulling for you. Was your competition a sitting commander?


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35 minutes ago, Skitzo said:

 


So he didn’t have one outright DP if it was 55% allocation. He lost at the MLR when he tried to get the #1 guy a DP thus the #1 got the silver bullet that I got “if I had a DP to give...”

Sucks man. Was pulling for you. Was your competition a sitting commander?


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No, my competition was a pilot.  If I had to lose a DP to anyone, I'm glad it's him.  

I prefer to think I lost mine to a sitting SFS commander at Minot or something.

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The reality is that it's a 50/50 proposition that you get promoted to O-5 with a P.  Maybe a little under 50/50.  With a super-P ('If I had one more DP to give...") it's probably 60/40.  I was in your situation sitting with a P (it was a super-P) and got promoted.  I've previously posted my PRF in this thread so you can see that for reference.  Good luck.  The waiting is the worst.

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The reality is that it's a 50/50 proposition that you get promoted to O-5 with a P.  Maybe a little under 50/50.  With a super-P ('If I had one more DP to give...") it's probably 60/40.  I was in your situation sitting with a P (it was a super-P) and got promoted.  I've previously posted my PRF in this thread so you can see that for reference.  Good luck.  The waiting is the worst.


It is less than 50/50 with a P and no “my next DP.” Having a strat in the PRF push line is good. Does the push say “definitely promote”, “sq/cc”, and “SDE”?
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1 hour ago, ThreeHoler said:

 


It is less than 50/50 with a P and no “my next DP.” Having a strat in the PRF push line is good. Does the push say “definitely promote”, “sq/cc”, and “SDE”?

 

Yes. The push is where #7/81 majors is, has the "if I had a DP, it's his", "definitely promote", "SQ/CC then SDE"

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33 minutes ago, pawnman said:

Yes. The push is where #7/81 majors is, has the "if I had a DP, it's his", "definitely promote", "SQ/CC then SDE"

You’ll get promoted with those numbers and that push.  Remember, they have to promote some P records....if you have a strong P Record with the super P, your odds aren’t just good, they’re great.  Another thing to consider is that there are a number of O-5 IPZ PRFs that are complete shit.   You’ll be fine bro, don’t sweat the P.  Once you get promoted, it’s all the same.  

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Thanks guys.  I think I'm over the initial shock.  I just thought surely a top 10% strat for majors and a top 15% strat for FGOs would be enough to pull a DP with a 55% allocation rate.

Same thing happened to me on my major's board.  #3/64 FTU instructors, FLT/CC of the year for the OG...P.

I think the part that's the most frustrating is all the senior leaders on the base telling me I'm on track and doing great work, then springing the "just kidding you're actually in the bottom half of your year group" when I open the PRF envelope.

 

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Thanks guys.  I think I'm over the initial shock.  I just thought surely a top 10% strat for majors and a top 15% strat for FGOs would be enough to pull a DP with a 55% allocation rate.
Same thing happened to me on my major's board.  #3/64 FTU instructors, FLT/CC of the year for the OG...P.

I think the part that's the most frustrating is all the senior leaders on the base telling me I'm on track and doing great work, then springing the "just kidding you're actually in the bottom half of your year group" when I open the PRF envelope.

 


Not necessarily true. They could be playing the games of “this guy will get promoted with a P so we can slide a DP to someone else at the MLR.” Or it could be a factor of your SR has to have 3 IPZ to get a DP...and since yours says “if I had a DP to give” this is more likely.

The “bottom half” is crap if you just judge by the PRF DP allocation. All my feedback was always “top 1/3” “doing great” etc...but my PRF said “bottom 75%” because it was a P that didn’t say “definitely promote”. There were still a ton of my previous Sq, Gp, and Wg CCs that we’re shocked I wasn’t promoted.

Good luck and I’ll buy you a beer if you don’t make it by some weird fluke or hidden super double secret word that wasn’t just the right flavor of happy or glad.
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5 hours ago, ThreeHoler said:

 


Not necessarily true. They could be playing the games of “this guy will get promoted with a P so we can slide a DP to someone else at the MLR.” Or it could be a factor of your SR has to have 3 IPZ to get a DP...and since yours says “if I had a DP to give” this is more likely.

The “bottom half” is crap if you just judge by the PRF DP allocation. All my feedback was always “top 1/3” “doing great” etc...but my PRF said “bottom 75%” because it was a P that didn’t say “definitely promote”. There were still a ton of my previous Sq, Gp, and Wg CCs that we’re shocked I wasn’t promoted.

Good luck and I’ll buy you a beer if you don’t make it by some weird fluke or hidden super double secret word that wasn’t just the right flavor of happy or glad.

 

Well, I feel like it's bottom half based on a 55% rate, and the fact that the one other 05 guy at my base got one.

I sure hope my SR wasn't playing games, because I've seen that burn the guy who is "definitely getting promoted, even with a P".

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Just got mine back... Got a P with bottom line #2/5 I/APZ, no “my next DP,” but command/SDE/Definitely Promote.  Not having the “my next DP” kinda sucks but if DP allocation was indeed 45% and we only had two IPZs that would make sense.

Playing a fun gamble as the new guy with an Army SR thousands of miles away who I’ve never met.  Feels kinda like when you’ve put a couple hundred on black and now the roulette wheel is spinning for the next couple months until the results drop!

I’m cautiously optimistic as I’ve got IDE in-res and a top OPR with a hard Maj strat in the top 10% of the wing plus hard rank (or “CGO”) strats on nearly every OPR.  Still - if I don’t make the cut that opens up a lot of options as well.  Looking forward to this summer’s list and good luck to all!

zb

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8 hours ago, zach braff said:

Just got mine back... Got a P with bottom line #2/5 I/APZ, no “my next DP,” but command/SDE/Definitely Promote.  Not having the “my next DP” kinda sucks but if DP allocation was indeed 45% and we only had two IPZs that would make sense.

Playing a fun gamble as the new guy with an Army SR thousands of miles away who I’ve never met.  Feels kinda like when you’ve put a couple hundred on black and now the roulette wheel is spinning for the next couple months until the results drop!

I’m cautiously optimistic as I’ve got IDE in-res and a top OPR with a hard Maj strat in the top 10% of the wing plus hard rank (or “CGO”) strats on nearly every OPR.  Still - if I don’t make the cut that opens up a lot of options as well.  Looking forward to this summer’s list and good luck to all!

zb

Seems like a no brainer selection to me...if that helps you relax a bit.

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