BashiChuni Posted August 16, 2016 Share Posted August 16, 2016 (edited) all us mid level captains have seen the bullshit...we dropped when there was only one fighter per class, we had RPAs in our -38 drops, we were in the squadrons with the TAMI 21 guys and heard how they got screwed out of their fighters, we saw the masters swing back to required for major and how our friends had to claw to get it before their board, we saw it swing back to not being required, we had friday morale shirts taken away, we had pencil tab patches made illegal, we had black boots taken away for swade, we saw dumbass ABUs come into "style" along with 1980s parachute PT pants, we saw the air force e-9s embarrass our peers in the died chow hall for wrong sock color (and be rewarded for it by the O-6), we saw 21 year old A1Cs drinking at DJ but aircrew were forbidden from even one beer, we saw our flying hours get cut back, we saw congress not do their job to the detriment of our survival in combat with zero shits given, we saw congress debate to take away dual spouse BAH, we became our own finance officer, we became our own professional CBT clicker, we saw below average yes men pilots do the minimum flying-wise and excel at queep only to get rewarded with good deal assignments and promotions (CHANG), we saw absurd increases in ROE for political purposes with no eye on victory. We saw the airlines start to hire... we didn't see our families, we didn't see clear cut victory in the war, we didn't see respect for our skills as pilots, we don't see a end in sight in deployments or war. The air force has been f***ing us since 2008. How the f*** are they surprised we don't want to stick around for the next 8 years to get run into the dirt. Most of my peers are getting TFO in a few years and i have zero fu**s or sympathy for big blue. They earned this. Edited August 16, 2016 by BashiChuni liberal use of the 'F' word 33 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Day Man Posted August 17, 2016 Share Posted August 17, 2016 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Motofalcon Posted August 17, 2016 Share Posted August 17, 2016 22 hours ago, BashiChuni said: all us mid level captains have seen the bullshit...we dropped when there was only one fighter per class, we had RPAs in our -38 drops, we were in the squadrons with the TAMI 21 guys and heard how they got screwed out of their fighters, we saw the masters swing back to required for major and how our friends had to claw to get it before their board, we saw it swing back to not being required, we had friday morale shirts taken away, we had pencil tab patches made illegal, we had black boots taken away for swade, we saw dumbass ABUs come into "style" along with 1980s parachute PT pants, we saw the air force e-9s embarrass our peers in the died chow hall for wrong sock color (and be rewarded for it by the O-6), we saw 21 year old A1Cs drinking at DJ but aircrew were forbidden from even one beer, we saw our flying hours get cut back, we saw congress not do their job to the detriment of our survival in combat with zero shits given, we saw congress debate to take away dual spouse BAH, we became our own finance officer, we became our own professional CBT clicker, we saw below average yes men pilots do the minimum flying-wise and excel at queep only to get rewarded with good deal assignments and promotions (CHANG), we saw absurd increases in ROE for political purposes with no eye on victory. We saw the airlines start to hire... we didn't see our families, we didn't see clear cut victory in the war, we didn't see respect for our skills as pilots, we don't see a end in sight in deployments or war. The air force has been f***ing us since 2008. How the f*** are they surprised we don't want to stick around for the next 8 years to get run into the dirt. Most of my peers are getting TFO in a few years and i have zero fu**s or sympathy for big blue. They earned this. Nailed it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
matmacwc Posted August 17, 2016 Share Posted August 17, 2016 On August 15, 2016 at 7:57 PM, BADFNZ said: Everyday I run into more and more first assignment guys in my AMC squadron already talking about getting out and going to the airlines. I think it's pretty telling when the FNGs fresh out of school, full of the blue Kool Aid, are already dreaming about cutting bait. I've never seen anything like it. You weren't around in 99-00, its cyclical. And that above post is awesome. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gazmo Posted August 17, 2016 Share Posted August 17, 2016 But wait... I think they're going to allow us to stay in the BPC now! Sent from my SM-G935V using Tapatalk Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ViperStud Posted August 20, 2016 Share Posted August 20, 2016 ARC dudes, does the bonus on our side typically mirror the AD bonus? With the rumors of the AD bonus going up to compensate for thr continual shitshow 10-car pileup that is active duty, is it the norm for the ARC AGR bonus to follow suit? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gazmo Posted August 20, 2016 Share Posted August 20, 2016 It should mirror the AD bonus. Honestly, I've always thought the AGR bonus should be less than the AD bonus just because there is a whole lot less BS as an AGR in the ANG than there is on AD and an AGR could, in theory, go from a 2Lt to retiring as a 20 yr Lt Col without ever commanding a unit. There hasn't been as much of a tendancy to leave the AGR program as there is AD, but we're getting there, especially with the airlines hiring as much as they are. NGB has authorized ART bonuses and some units are hiring into GS13 positions at the step 7 level ($20k more than step 1). The manpower pain is being felt everywhere. Sent from my SM-G935V using Tapatalk Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Oldtanker Posted August 21, 2016 Share Posted August 21, 2016 "This is not for all pilots," said Stefanek, explaining that some years there's a need for more mobility pilots or more fighter pilots." http://www.cnbc.com/2016/08/19/air-force-paying-huge-retention-bonuses-to-fighter-pilots.html Between a likely continued resolution, emphasis on acquisitions & the above statement, I'd say it's not a certainty that heavy drivers will see an increase in our bonus. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gazmo Posted August 21, 2016 Share Posted August 21, 2016 "This is not for all pilots," said Stefanek, explaining that some years there's a need for more mobility pilots or more fighter pilots." http://www.cnbc.com/2016/08/19/air-force-paying-huge-retention-bonuses-to-fighter-pilots.html Between a likely continued resolution, emphasis on acquisitions & the above statement, I'd say it's not a certainty that heavy drivers will see an increase in our bonus. LOL. Well them tankers and airlifters aren't gonna drive themselves... Sent from my SM-G935V using Tapatalk Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Duck Posted August 21, 2016 Share Posted August 21, 2016 Once again the comments section on that article is hilarious. Everyone is an expert... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FUSEPLUG Posted August 21, 2016 Share Posted August 21, 2016 3 hours ago, Oldtanker said: Between a likely continued resolution, emphasis on acquisitions & the above statement, I'd say it's not a certainty that heavy drivers will see an increase in our bonus. That's fine. The real "bonus" will come when said heavy drivers hit second year pay at AA/DL/UA/SW/UPS/FEDEX. I don't see the problem (much like the AF). 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sprkt69 Posted August 21, 2016 Share Posted August 21, 2016 1 hour ago, FUSEPLUG said: That's fine. The real "bonus" will come when said heavy drivers hit second year pay at AA/DL/UA/SW/UPS/FEDEX. I don't see the problem (much like the AF). Exactly. Big Blue will not see a problem until they turn around and all their mobility pilot have left. Just like the fighters. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gazmo Posted August 21, 2016 Share Posted August 21, 2016 Maybe they should pay more attention to the downward trend in retention rates and not the overall numbers showing fighter pilot retention is worse than mobility pilot retention. Sent from my SM-G935V using Tapatalk Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pawnman Posted August 22, 2016 Share Posted August 22, 2016 9 hours ago, Sprkt69 said: Exactly. Big Blue will not see a problem until they turn around and all their mobility pilot have left. Just like the fighters. We don't need mobility pilots, right? That's why we RIFed so many a couple years ago. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Duck Posted August 22, 2016 Share Posted August 22, 2016 We don't need mobility pilots, right? That's why we RIFed so many a couple years ago. And why we won't let any Palace Chase regardless of how close they are to the end of their commitment! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gazmo Posted August 22, 2016 Share Posted August 22, 2016 Yes. Let's not let good people transfer to the ARC to be a part of the "Total Force", but at the same time let's deploy the ARC more. Sent from my SM-G935V using Tapatalk 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Smokin Posted August 23, 2016 Share Posted August 23, 2016 On 8/19/2016 at 10:13 PM, Gazmo said: It should mirror the AD bonus. Honestly, I've always thought the AGR bonus should be less than the AD bonus just because there is a whole lot less BS as an AGR in the ANG than there is on AD and an AGR could, in theory, go from a 2Lt to retiring as a 20 yr Lt Col without ever commanding a unit. There hasn't been as much of a tendancy to leave the AGR program as there is AD, but we're getting there, especially with the airlines hiring as much as they are. NGB has authorized ART bonuses and some units are hiring into GS13 positions at the step 7 level ($20k more than step 1). The manpower pain is being felt everywhere. Sent from my SM-G935V using Tapatalk Except for the fact that there are AGRs resigning to go to the airlines. Seen it multiple times in the last year. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gazmo Posted August 23, 2016 Share Posted August 23, 2016 I agree. I have passed up on an AGR opportunity for that reason myself. Oh how the pendulum swings. Sent from my SM-G935V using Tapatalk Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
matmacwc Posted August 28, 2016 Share Posted August 28, 2016 We have seen it as well, nobody wants to be an ART, and they shouldn't unless it is a stepping stone. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ViperStud Posted August 28, 2016 Share Posted August 28, 2016 The funny thing is this - "leadership" is trumpeting the total (rumored) 30% tech bonus as a carrot - no one is biting. The old guys (technicians) have a hard time understanding why everyone doesn't want to be just like them. Sound like AD? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gazmo Posted August 28, 2016 Share Posted August 28, 2016 The funny thing is this - "leadership" is trumpeting the total (rumored) 30% tech bonus as a carrot - no one is biting. The old guys (technicians) have a hard time understanding why everyone doesn't want to be just like them. Sound like AD? The Technician program has only lasted as long as it has due to the events of 9/11. If the airline hiring boom of '99-01 had continued, the ART force would have crumbled back then. Of course a lot of the O-4/O-5 IP-types who got furloughed from the airlines, found their way back into an ART job and stayed there for 10+ years until they got their recall while us young guys troughed trying to make ends meet. Guess what. Us young guys are the ones leaving now without anyone to fill our shoes. For years, leadership had a mindset that being an ART was something everyone would give their first born child to become. Not true at all. For most, it was the only option they had to keep food on the table. Is it a terrible job? No, but it has gotten worse than it used to be. Ask all the people who now pay 4.4% into a FERS retirement on top of 5% TSP contribution on top of FEHB on top of dental converage. It ends up being $12,000 a year out of your pay. It is an antiquated program not designed well for aircrew. We should all be AGR's. It's be much easier to keep people and manage the fulltime force. Leadership's arguement is that some people want to spend 30+ years as an ART and want the double retirement. Ironically, the only people who believe that are the leadership who, for one reason or another missed the airline boat and are ART lifers or they are non-flyers. For the rest of us, being an ART is a tiresome stepping stone; an alternative to a regional airline and as more and more people leave the program, the worse it's getting for those who are still waiting for their call. Sent from my SM-G935V using Tapatalk 5 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
And1 Posted September 14, 2016 Share Posted September 14, 2016 Any of you that are actually in the know heard any more news on changes coming? 48K? 60K? 5 years? 9? 50% up front still? The current one on mypers expires at the end of the month...surely there's got to be something ready to take its place. Anyone? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Smokin Posted September 14, 2016 Share Posted September 14, 2016 The normal release has been early to mid-spring, so I wouldn't hold your breath. Whatever max amount the budget gets approved for will tell you most of what you want to know, but any up front numbers and duration won't be reliable until the actual AF release. I'd guess late March. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MooseAg03 Posted September 15, 2016 Share Posted September 15, 2016 The normal release has been early to mid-spring, so I wouldn't hold your breath. Whatever max amount the budget gets approved for will tell you most of what you want to know, but any up front numbers and duration won't be reliable until the actual AF release. I'd guess late March.So that means there won't be a bonus program for 6 months or the old one stays in effect? Rumors of higher payouts have to be depressing sign up numbers.Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Herk Driver Posted September 15, 2016 Share Posted September 15, 2016 The old one expires 30 Sep, regardless. The new one starts once finalized, approved and announced.Sent from my iPhone using Baseops Network Forums Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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