QAZqaz Posted March 9, 2022 Share Posted March 9, 2022 (edited) 11 minutes ago, Guardian said: I’m still hung up on his attitude is every officer should desire to run the Air Force and be the best pilot while taking less money and doing additional work. That’s a tough one. Edited March 9, 2022 by QAZqaz Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HeloDude Posted March 10, 2022 Share Posted March 10, 2022 If big blue hasn’t gotten it by now, they’re never going to get it. Stay in or get out…just do what’s best for you and your family and don’t expect a whole lot of positive changes. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CaptainMorgan Posted March 10, 2022 Share Posted March 10, 2022 If you haven’t gotten it by now, you’re never going to get it. Stay in…just do what’s best for Big Blue and expect a whole lot of positive changes…Is what a General would say!Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HuskyPilot Posted March 11, 2022 Share Posted March 11, 2022 Funny, they let me separate without ever offering me a bonus. As for the pilot vs officer first. My ROTC commitment was 4 years. My UPT commitment was 10 years. So which one was keeping me on the hook for the last 2/3 of my career? And they are offended that (many) pilots see themselves as a pilot first. For me, the commission was just a means to an end. 2 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ClearedHot Posted March 11, 2022 Share Posted March 11, 2022 On 8/25/2021 at 5:37 PM, di1630 said: ~1 month to go: Fixed wing overall take rate: 32% 11F: 24% 11B: 31% 11M: 29% Ouch Do you know the break even point, back when Orville, Wilbur and myself were offered the bonus they needed 64% to break even. On 9/1/2021 at 6:14 AM, Chuck17 said: Get ready for this kinda take rate being used as justification to kill the bonus altogether… I give it one more FY, tops. Makes a perfect compliment to the $300+B in cuts coming to the Pentagon… Rough roads ahead. Chuck Highly doubtful at this point. Given the Russia/Ukraine situation and the potential for the house to flip I doubt we will see a substantial decrease int he Defense Budget. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hunter Rose Posted March 12, 2022 Share Posted March 12, 2022 9 hours ago, ClearedHot said: Do you know the break even point, back when Orville, Wilbur and myself were offered the bonus they needed 64% to break even. The target is still 65% to maintain status quo manning. Big Air Force hasn't made that in years...probably approaching a decade now. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hunter Rose Posted March 12, 2022 Share Posted March 12, 2022 I'm personally hoping there's a two year bonus option and I can finish my career as a line IP in the FTU. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Swizzle Posted March 12, 2022 Share Posted March 12, 2022 1 hour ago, Hunter Rose said: The target is still 65% to maintain status quo manning. Big Air Force hasn't made that in years...probably approaching a decade now. AF is being forced by circumstances to change their offering(s)/options, let's see the bureaucracy turn on a dime now with whatever options remain (ex. payment timing, contract length, amounts [under $35k that is]) and the flexibility/options AF grants to prospective 'takers'. Not much else they can get creative with...new buzzwords perhaps... They haven't explored taker-directed payouts, aka taker decides where/to whom the $ goes Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CaptainMorgan Posted March 12, 2022 Share Posted March 12, 2022 AF is being forced by circumstances to change their offering(s)/options, let's see the bureaucracy turn on a dime now with whatever options remain (ex. payment timing, contract length, amounts [under $35k that is]) and the flexibility/options AF grants to prospective 'takers'. Not much else they can get creative with...new buzzwords perhaps... They haven't explored taker-directed payouts, aka taker decides where/to whom the $ goesWhy would the taker want to send the $ to anyone but themself?Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guardian Posted March 12, 2022 Share Posted March 12, 2022 I don’t get the limited to 35k argument. Thought congress approved them for 48 when they asked for 60. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CaptainMorgan Posted March 12, 2022 Share Posted March 12, 2022 I don’t get the limited to 35k argument. Thought congress approved them for 48 when they asked for 60. NopeSent from my iPhone using Tapatalk Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jazzdude Posted March 12, 2022 Share Posted March 12, 2022 I don’t get the limited to 35k argument. Thought congress approved them for 48 when they asked for 60. RAND recommended 48-60k, AF asked for 48k, Congress approved 35k Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guardian Posted March 12, 2022 Share Posted March 12, 2022 Both house and senate have passed the appropriations bill and sent to Biden for signature in the last few days. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bigred Posted March 12, 2022 Share Posted March 12, 2022 On 3/9/2022 at 6:32 PM, Guardian said: Bonus. “It’s essential”. AD program. Capped at 35k per year by law (he claimed). O5 and below. Tiers. And required after pilot commitment complete. 2022 doesn’t have an appropriations bill yet or CR. So no bonus program yet. The 35k cap is written into law, it was passed as part of title 37 section 334. As to why the AF doesn’t have a program out yet, who knows. A quick Google shows that the Marines already have a program out and the Navy’s is about to be released. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
di1630 Posted March 16, 2022 Share Posted March 16, 2022 35K, 3-5-9 yr contract options. Should be out next week.Unsure on AFSC specifics or details. Don’t quote me. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Standby Posted March 16, 2022 Share Posted March 16, 2022 20 minutes ago, di1630 said: 35K, 3-5-9 yr contract options. Should be out next week. Unsure on AFSC specifics or details. Don’t quote me. Quoted to establish your rumor as gospel. 5 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guardian Posted March 21, 2022 Share Posted March 21, 2022 Guard part timer and or reservists part timers. Anyone still having issues getting flight pay? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hindsight2020 Posted March 21, 2022 Share Posted March 21, 2022 29 minutes ago, Guardian said: Guard part timer and or reservists part timers. Anyone still having issues getting flight pay? That's just a Tuesday in the NGB. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SocialD Posted March 22, 2022 Share Posted March 22, 2022 4 hours ago, Guardian said: Guard part timer and or reservists part timers. Anyone still having issues getting flight pay? It's still showing up via a secondary paycheck. Nothing like getting 6-9 pay stubs every month. Don't worry though...I was assured in 2018, that it would all be fixed when DFAS rolls out the new pay system in Jan of 2020... 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mp5g Posted March 25, 2022 Share Posted March 25, 2022 On 3/21/2022 at 9:14 PM, SocialD said: It's still showing up via a secondary paycheck. Nothing like getting 6-9 pay stubs every month. Don't worry though...I was assured in 2018, that it would all be fixed when DFAS rolls out the new pay system in Jan of 2020... SocialD, you should feel privileged. You are literally living the real life “checks in the mail” maxim. Your check has just been in the mail for 4+ years. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SurelySerious Posted March 25, 2022 Share Posted March 25, 2022 SocialD, you should feel privileged. You are literally living the real life “checks in the mail” maxim. Your check has just been in the mail for 4+ years. Maybe they’ll move from snail mail to IE11 soon like UTAPS and AROWS. Only the most advanced. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guardian Posted March 25, 2022 Share Posted March 25, 2022 Anyone heard anything about a bonus yet? I thought the appropriations bill had been approved for some time. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SocialD Posted March 25, 2022 Share Posted March 25, 2022 1 hour ago, mp5g said: SocialD, you should feel privileged. You are literally living the real life “checks in the mail” maxim. Your check has just been in the mail for 4+ years. Right! It was real fun last week explaining to the loan assumptions department why I had 6 paychecks one month and 1 the next month. So now I just let my 105s stack up and sign them all at once on a monthly or bi-monthly basis. Our CSS chick was like, must be nice to not need your paycheck lol. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chuck17 Posted March 30, 2022 Share Posted March 30, 2022 (edited) On 3/11/2022 at 11:56 AM, ClearedHot said: Highly doubtful at this point. Given the Russia/Ukraine situation and the potential for the house to flip I doubt we will see a substantial decrease in the Defense Budget. Ha yeah no kidding - things changed in the six months since I made that comment, so, good point... I guess I had too much focus on the withdrawal from Afghanistan and the historical evidence of reduced defense budgets under democratic leadership... Chuck Edited December 30, 2022 by Chuck17 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jice Posted April 5, 2022 Share Posted April 5, 2022 Looks like the new bonus is out. 35k/year (even for 11Rs this time) with 3-12 year options. Lump sums starting at 5 years for initial eligibles. CSOs/WSOs… it’s not awesome. 15/25/35k per year starting at 3/5/8. Now, if we can just get folks to see past the “35k max is congress’s fault…” It’s bullsh1t. We ask Congress to write a law about every dollar we spend; failing to equip the force in front of congress and failing to build the force we need (pay for talent) are both the same failure. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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