Aviation Continuation Pay (ACP - The Bonus)

[jazzdude]

No. 
You have to be in a tax free location the month your bonus processes on your LES and bonus pay hits your bank account. You’d again have to be in a tax free locale when your bonus hit in year 2 to get a portion of it tax free.
As mentioned it is considered monthly pay by the finance folk, so you only get tax free (regular pay + ACP) up to the pay rate of the Chief Master Sergeant of the Air Force. 
 
No huge benefit to delaying signing. Especially if it adds to your time in. 

Recently received my first bonus check while deployed, and that is how it paid out.

That being said, being deployed raises your annual TSP contribution limit to $55K, so I directed a good portion of my bonus payment to my traditional TSP.

[SFG]

I hear some new AF research project told them that there wasn’t a significant difference in take rates from $20K to $35K... their conclusion is that ->the bonus amount has no effect on take rate<- 😂

We never leveled off. They’re looking at the wrong indicators. We just steadied our decent. They should continue to lower the nose with QOL/QOS initiatives, BUT realize they’re in the region of reverse command. Add more power. I bet you $70K would move the needle, but don’t expect to see any bonus increases. I wouldn’t be surprised to see a decrease after that turd of a third grade report.

Edited December 5, 2019 by K_O
Science

[Karl Hungus]

10 hours ago, K_O said:

I hear some new AF research project told them that there wasn’t a significant difference in take rates from $20K to $35K... their conclusion is that ->the bonus amount has no effect on take rate<- 😂

We never leveled off. They’re looking at the wrong indicators. We just steadied our decent. They should continue to lower the nose with QOL/QOS initiatives, BUT realize they’re in the region of reverse command. Add more power. I bet you $70K would move the needle, but don’t expect to see any bonus increases. I wouldn’t be surprised to see a decrease after that turd of a third grade report.

Eliminating the bonus completely would actually be pretty smart.  Since they’re unwilling to raise it to a level at which it would actually change someone’s mind from leaving to staying on a large scale, might as well get rid of it completely.  The only people (for the most part) who take it were going to stay anyway... free money for them.  Might as well waste that money on other Defense Industrial Complex garbage.

[SFG]

4 hours ago, Karl Hungus said:

...might as well get rid of it completely.  The only people (for the most part) who take it were going to stay anyway... free money for them.  Might as well waste that money on other Defense Industrial Complex garbage.

It’s not enough money to pay for any Defense Industrial Complex garbage. No, it will just go to another RAND study.

[osulax05]

FY20 AvB is out on MyPers. As expected, dollar amounts and options appear to be the same as last year.

 

 

 

[di1630]

I guess they are good with a little bloodletting for another year.




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[FourFans]

Just for some kids that don’t know math:  

1999 bonus and cap were introduced: $25,000, which it’s been in some form or fashion for a while, though it took far too long for big blue to realize that not just fighter pilots are important enough to offer a big bonus to...

2019...it’s now $35,000

Inflation says that 1999 $25k should be >$38k in 2019.  Apparently flyers were more important in 1999 than they are today.  Let that sink in.

Edited January 29, 2020 by FourFans130

[Homestar]

2 hours ago, FourFans130 said:

.it’s now $35,000

for some of you....

[FourFans]

1 hour ago, Homestar said:

for some of you....

The defense rests.  
 

Don’t take the bonus.

[brabus]

The guard has the same bonus. Just putting that out there for anyone who’s AD leadership has told them the AD bonus is a reason to not go guard. 

[Magnum]

1 hour ago, brabus said:

The guard has the same bonus. Just putting that out there for anyone who’s AD leadership has told them the AD bonus is a reason to not go guard. 

False!  The Guard has much better and more plentiful bonuses like being able to spend time with your family, being able to purchase a house that you won't move from just as you get comfortable with it, no 365s, etc, etc, etc. The same pay is only the beginning!

But I know what you meant.

[the g-man]

Just for some kids that don’t know math:  
1999 bonus and cap were introduced: $25,000, which it’s been in some form or fashion for a while, though it took far too long for big blue to realize that not just fighter pilots are important enough to offer a big bonus to...
2019...it’s now $35,000
Inflation says that 1999 $25k should be >$38k in 2019.  Apparently flyers were more important in 1999 than they are today.  Let that sink in.

Same problem with flight pay except $700 in 1989 should be ~$1800 now


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[SocialD]

I noticed they put in a change to the fine print.  If you curtail an order/bonus early you'll be penalized for a few years before you can sign another bonus. I can't remember the exact details, but I see what you did there HAF 🤣.

 

Still no one year big bonus.  

Edited January 31, 2020 by SocialD

[Magellan]

So the announcement came out on Tuesday. I got the signed paperwork turned in the same day, because my UPT ADSC expired already and I have another ADSC that is 7.5 years long for just starting a PhD program.  So I was all about signing up for free money.  The email said give DFAS 6-8 weeks, but I had the money deposited on Friday.  They withheld 22% FYSA.

YMMV

[KWings06j]

I think mine got screwed up (big surprise). They withheld just over 33% of mine. 

Correction. They actually did pay me correctly. Somehow they honored my change to TSP allotments even though they hadn't taken effect yet. 

Edited February 23, 2020 by KWings06j

[BADFNZ]

Prayers to both of you

[WheelsOff]

There was a post about this year’s bonus on the MAF FB page, but it got deleted. Too many cynical responses/GIFs I think. 
 

Bummer...it was some good bathroom reading material. 

[cragspider]

1 hour ago, WheelsOff said:

There was a post about this year’s bonus on the MAF FB page, but it got deleted. Too many cynical responses/GIFs I think. 
 

Bummer...it was some good bathroom reading material. 

Sad cause it was only the honest truth being spoken there by the masses. Guess the Bobs didn’t like it. 

[Guardian]

Guard bonus is out. You can now renegotiate for a higher bonus. Adds 2 years to current commitment minimum and can only be broken by NGB/A1 in extreme circumstances. No thanks.

Thanks for making the guard more active duty like (sarcasm)

[Duck]

Any new Traditional bonuses for Guard guys?


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[Guardian]

Looks the same as previous. Tier 3. 15k for a years worth of orders

 

In the rears. I mean in arrears.

[N3441S]

I noticed Tier 7's bonus value is based on Tier 1-3's take rate.  Anyone know if/how/when they are going to publish the actual bonus value?  

[Khruangbin33]

Odd situation/possible low SA on my part at the time:

As a CSO with an expired CSO ADSC, I was eligible for the ACP that dropped late September/Early Oct of 18.  However, well before that bonus was announced, I was picked up for pilot training.  While processing my PCS orders, MPF/TFSC told me that in order to receive those orders to UPT, I had to sign an ADSC stating that if I completed pilot training, I would owe 10 years.  Well, I went ahead and signed that, and they tacked on a 10 year UPT ADSC effective on the day I signed it, well before I ever left my pre-UPT assignment.

So, months later, when the time came to apply for the bonus, it was of course denied because I had an existing (erroneous) UPT ADSC.  This was 8 months before UPT graduation.  In fact at the time I was too busy getting my shit pushed in in T-6's to bother trying to fix the ADSC issue.  Once I graduated UPT, that 10 year ADSC was updated to reflect my grad date.

I'm missing out on $225k of pre-tax bonus here, so does anyone think I have a chance of getting this resolved in my favor?  Do I open a case with AFPC, Finance, Legal, IG?  Lawyer up?  Or do I just STFU and enjoy my window seat?

[di1630]

Odd situation/possible low SA on my part at the time:
As a CSO with an expired CSO ADSC, I was eligible for the ACP that dropped late September/Early Oct of 18.  However, well before that bonus was announced, I was picked up for pilot training.  While processing my PCS orders, MPF/TFSC told me that in order to receive those orders to UPT, I had to sign an ADSC stating that if I completed pilot training, I would owe 10 years.  Well, I went ahead and signed that, and they tacked on a 10 year UPT ADSC effective on the day I signed it, well before I ever left my pre-UPT assignment.
So, months later, when the time came to apply for the bonus, it was of course denied because I had an existing (erroneous) UPT ADSC.  This was 8 months before UPT graduation.  In fact at the time I was too busy getting my shit pushed in in T-6's to bother trying to fix the ADSC issue.  Once I graduated UPT, that 10 year ADSC was updated to reflect my grad date.
I'm missing out on $225k of pre-tax bonus here, so does anyone think I have a chance of getting this resolved in my favor?  Do I open a case with AFPC, Finance, Legal, IG?  Lawyer up?  Or do I just STFU and enjoy my window seat?

For $225k I’d look into it IF you can show the paper trail of their error and your denied bonus.

If you take a CSO bonus though and leave the career field, I’m not sure you keep getting that CSO bonus. Might ask about that.






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[tac airlifter]

18 hours ago, wazzuPIC said:

Odd situation/possible low SA on my part at the time:

As a CSO with an expired CSO ADSC, I was eligible for the ACP that dropped late September/Early Oct of 18.  However, well before that bonus was announced, I was picked up for pilot training.  While processing my PCS orders, MPF/TFSC told me that in order to receive those orders to UPT, I had to sign an ADSC stating that if I completed pilot training, I would owe 10 years.  Well, I went ahead and signed that, and they tacked on a 10 year UPT ADSC effective on the day I signed it, well before I ever left my pre-UPT assignment.

So, months later, when the time came to apply for the bonus, it was of course denied because I had an existing (erroneous) UPT ADSC.  This was 8 months before UPT graduation.  In fact at the time I was too busy getting my shit pushed in in T-6's to bother trying to fix the ADSC issue.  Once I graduated UPT, that 10 year ADSC was updated to reflect my grad date.

I'm missing out on $225k of pre-tax bonus here, so does anyone think I have a chance of getting this resolved in my favor?  Do I open a case with AFPC, Finance, Legal, IG?  Lawyer up?  Or do I just STFU and enjoy my window seat?

I think you’re SOL.

For the money, definitely try.  But you’re asking the AF to back pay you a portion of the bonus you would have taken (theoretically) for time already severed, on a bonus you’re currently ineligible for.  Tough case to make, even if you had gobs of free time.