Duck Posted April 9, 2017 Share Posted April 9, 2017 If you are asking if the AF is going to give you something with no benefit on their end...Sent from my iPhone using Baseops Network Forums Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pilotguy Posted April 10, 2017 Share Posted April 10, 2017 9 hours ago, flyusaf83 said: What kind of ADSC does that encur? 3 years...unless I'm mistaken it is to be given out any time after the 8 year time in service mark for those that opt into BRS...doubt they give pilots free money but I guess there is a chance... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jaded Posted April 10, 2017 Share Posted April 10, 2017 Can we rename this thread, "I'm not staying in, but does anyone know if the Air Force is going to give me more money before I leave?" 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bender Posted April 10, 2017 Share Posted April 10, 2017 Beer or hard liquor?There sure were a lot of beer bottles in the garbage can this morning, but honestly can't recall.Point taken,BendySent from my iPhone using Baseops Network Forums 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
faipmafiaofficial Posted April 10, 2017 Share Posted April 10, 2017 11 hours ago, Jaded said: Can we rename this thread, "I'm not staying in, but does anyone know if the Air Force is going to give me more money before I leave?" I see what he's saying. But ya never going to happen. If you opt into BRS as a pilot they will just wait and offer you the BRS continuation and the pilot retention bonus at the same time...that's not a bad chunk of change though. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
daynightindicator Posted April 10, 2017 Share Posted April 10, 2017 Stop-loss an option for Air Force to stem pilots' departure to airlineshttp://www.stripes.com/1.462909I'll just leave this here...Sent from my iPhone using Baseops Network Forums Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pilotguy Posted April 10, 2017 Share Posted April 10, 2017 1 hour ago, daynightindicator said: Stop-loss an option for Air Force to stem pilots' departure to airlineshttp://www.stripes.com/1.462909 I'll just leave this here... Sent from my iPhone using Baseops Network Forums of course the Air Force is going to play this card...its all they got. Why gives us a bonus at all honestly just force us to stay in...should fix everything Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gazmo Posted April 10, 2017 Share Posted April 10, 2017 Sent from my SM-G930T using Tapatalk They'll never get it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pilotguy Posted April 10, 2017 Share Posted April 10, 2017 1 hour ago, daynightindicator said: Stop-loss an option for Air Force to stem pilots' departure to airlineshttp://www.stripes.com/1.462909 I'll just leave this here... Sent from my iPhone using Baseops Network Forums And I love how they will use this stop loss option at the table with the airlines to threaten them and force them to play ball...screwing us all over in the process. I love feeling like a piece of property 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HossHarris Posted April 10, 2017 Share Posted April 10, 2017 seem like we were just firing people an assignment ago .... weird 6 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Prozac Posted April 10, 2017 Share Posted April 10, 2017 Stop Loss seems like a really easy way to convince anyone sitting on the fence to leave at their earliest opportunity. Incredibly short sighted and just plain stupid--and therefore an exceedingly likely possibility. 5 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wareaglef16 Posted April 10, 2017 Share Posted April 10, 2017 2 hours ago, daynightindicator said: Stop-loss an option for Air Force to stem pilots' departure to airlineshttp://www.stripes.com/1.462909 I'll just leave this here... Sent from my iPhone using Baseops Network Forums Might be able to make us stay in, but can't make us fly. Redball - anti skid. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bergman Posted April 10, 2017 Share Posted April 10, 2017 RUN!!!! Fucking RUN!!!! Don't give these ass clowns one extra month of your lives! They haven't earned the loyalty and effort of the caliber of people they "lead". Management is so out of touch that they think a bonus is the solution (which, even with the bonus, is a drop in the bucket compared to even second year airline pay, not to mention quality of life which is priceless). Until they start genuinely CARING ABOUT THE PEOPLE, I will advise anyone that will listen to GTFO immediately if not sooner. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NKAWTG Posted April 11, 2017 Share Posted April 11, 2017 Just a feeling on my part, but I believe the natural retention rate is around 45% when you have normal economic conditions and airline hiring. That it was above 60% for the past 15 years is the anomaly, not the low retention now. Unless you're adding another zero on to the bonus, whatever they come up with won't move the needle more than a percent or two. Maybe HAF should start figuring out what they can and can't do with 45% retention, and plan accordingly. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gazmo Posted April 11, 2017 Share Posted April 11, 2017 They should worry about saving their bonus money and hiring more support troops. FM, FSS, admins, bring the orderly rooms back, etc... let the pilots do their primary jobs.Sent from my SM-G930T using Tapatalk Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fire4effect Posted April 11, 2017 Share Posted April 11, 2017 (edited) 54 minutes ago, Prozac said: Stop Loss seems like a really easy way to convince anyone sitting on the fence to leave at their earliest opportunity. Incredibly short sighted and just plain stupid--and therefore an exceedingly likely possibility. As someone alluded to above. This was a shot across the bow to the airlines pure and simple. I think the higher ups have decided the "fence" has been effectively bulldozed over and they've given up on any pretext of keeping most in at this point. Also as I mentioned a while back even if you're out you aren't completely out if you haven't resigned your commission. Even if you attempt to resign I'd say it's a crapshoot they'd accept it as things get more dire. Edited April 11, 2017 by fire4effect spellun Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
flyusaf83 Posted April 11, 2017 Share Posted April 11, 2017 I love hearing how much Air Force leadership wants to take care their people in one breath. Then in the next one, they go to the airlines and threaten them to not hire us, go to the FAA and get them to change regulations so we are less competitive with civilian pilots for jobs, and talk about stop loss. Then they talk to us about how important integrity is. 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MechGov Posted April 11, 2017 Share Posted April 11, 2017 Stop-loss an option for Air Force to stem pilots' departure to airlineshttp://www.stripes.com/1.462909I'll just leave this here...Sent from my iPhone using Baseops Network ForumsSome good gems in there like this:“If I don’t have pilots to fly, the enemy has a vote, and if I can’t put warheads on foreheads, then (ISIS) is winning,”Buzzword, buzzword, buzzword. Mike dropSent from my iPhone using Baseops Network Forums Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest No2bonus Posted April 11, 2017 Share Posted April 11, 2017 AF leadership has lost their damn minds. Thanks again everyone for telling me NOT to take the bonus. Maybe leadership will realize we need maintainers too, because planes don't fix themselves. At this rate, maintenance is going to turn into contracted maintenance. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest No2bonus Posted April 11, 2017 Share Posted April 11, 2017 4 minutes ago, MechGov said: Some good gems in there like this: “If I don’t have pilots to fly, the enemy has a vote, and if I can’t put warheads on foreheads, then (ISIS) is winning,” Buzzword, buzzword, buzzword. Mike drop Sent from my iPhone using Baseops Network Forums Former SecDef Gates had a point. We paid a ton of money for the latest and greatest flying toys to fight insurgents, terrorists, Taliban, and ISIS with million dollar weaponry. Essentially wearing iron out when we could have employed smaller and less costly aircraft. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pilotguy Posted April 11, 2017 Share Posted April 11, 2017 once they enact the stop loss they will take away the bonus...you watch Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LookieRookie Posted April 11, 2017 Share Posted April 11, 2017 5 minutes ago, No2bonus said: Former SecDef Gates had a point. We paid a ton of money for the latest and greatest flying toys to fight insurgents, terrorists, Taliban, and ISIS with million dollar weaponry. Essentially wearing iron out when we could have employed smaller and less costly aircraft. Was Gates for a light attack? I thought he was only interested in buying more Preds. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chida Posted April 11, 2017 Share Posted April 11, 2017 Meanwhile.... Where is the voluntary rated recall program? That's another tool they could use right now, but are not, as far as I know? True that most would not be interested, but some would be, and every body counts. Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Snooter Posted April 11, 2017 Share Posted April 11, 2017 13 minutes ago, No2bonus said: AF leadership has lost their damn minds. Thanks again everyone for telling me NOT to take the bonus. Maybe leadership will realize we need maintainers too, because planes don't fix themselves. At this rate, maintenance is going to turn into contracted maintenance. No way; the AF will do what has worked thus far and make the rated folks fix their own planes. And they'll commission a contractor for a web based portal that provides the oversight... 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest No2bonus Posted April 11, 2017 Share Posted April 11, 2017 12 minutes ago, LookieRookie said: Was Gates for a light attack? I thought he was only interested in buying more Preds. Gates was the reason for the MC-12. He is the reason why the F-22 pipeline was killed. Kind of had disdain for the AF in general. There was talk of pairing the MC-12 with the AT-6. One plane finds the targets, the other plane kills them. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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