Trump's Cabinet

[ViperMan]

2 hours ago, disgruntledemployee said:

Dudes, I went to SOS in a Bush admin and the Blue Bedroom had plenty of social lectures.  Shit ain't nothin new.  But does this crap really need SecDef energy?  Between India/Pak shit, Israeli shit, Prez courting the M. East shit, renaming bodies of water shite, Chiner shit, Russian shit, Ukraine shit, Houthi shit, Signalgate dumbass shit, firing staff shit, Defense programs shit, budget shit (better show up with your homework, Pete.. don't be like Pash), dude has a lot of real shit to think about.  I mean, the Gulf of Alabama isn't gonna redo itself on all those maps.

If it doesn't require SECDEF energy, then it doesn't require my energy / attention. Fair enough?

Get rid of all the DEI nonsense. I never want to here another peep about it. I'd rather have a competent CSSs and finance shops than read another email from the CSAF or SECDEF about some eye-roll BS.

[dream big]

17 hours ago, disgruntledemployee said:

Dudes, I went to SOS in a Bush admin and the Blue Bedroom had plenty of social lectures.  Shit ain't nothin new.  But does this crap really need SecDef energy?  Between India/Pak shit, Israeli shit, Prez courting the M. East shit, renaming bodies of water shite, Chiner shit, Russian shit, Ukraine shit, Houthi shit, Signalgate dumbass shit, firing staff shit, Defense programs shit, budget shit (better show up with your homework, Pete.. don't be like Pash), dude has a lot of real shit to think about.  I mean, the Gulf of Alabama isn't gonna redo itself on all those maps.

It wouldn’t need SecDef energy if his predecessors hadn’t wasted time on it. 

[brabus]

There’s also an assumption here that he’s spent some huge amount of time on this topic. I doubt he’s spent much time at all on it, and therefore all these statements of “he has bigger things to spend time on” are just pissing into the wind. I don’t think it’s realistic to think he personally has spent shitloads of time at a desk solely devising plans and then executing them himself. That’s not how it works. 

[disgruntledemployee]

On 1/19/2025 at 6:07 PM, Sua Sponte said:

Ramswammy pulling a negative Scaramucci departing before a fake department even begins under a new administration.

https://www.cbsnews.com/news/vivek-ramaswamy-expected-to-depart-doge/

And now Musk, by most appearances, is pretty much gone too.

https://www.yahoo.com/news/trump-wiped-elon-musk-name-150848889.html

[Sua Sponte]

2 minutes ago, disgruntledemployee said:

And now Musk, by most appearances, is pretty much gone too.

https://www.yahoo.com/news/trump-wiped-elon-musk-name-150848889.html

Musk was able to derail several investigations into Tesla and SpaceX and his new payment platform for X. Musk got what he wanted. All the while DOGE was openly shuttering USAID, Musk was closing down or reducing regulatory agencies and things that would affect him and his companies. He was also able to harvest god knows how much personal data as well as the ability to install backdoors into any number of systems. Oh yeah, and White House communication is going through Starlink now. No way could be abused... 

He was able to accomplish exactly what he set out to do.

https://www.wsj.com/politics/tech-silicon-valley-government-influence-70b43ca6?st=fDN1mW&reflink=mobilewebshare_permalink

 

[brabus]

That’s a hell of a lot of conspiracy theory there. Not to say there are no things that would benefit his companies, but to address a couple of those points:

Starlink is a significant force multiplier in many ways - it is an excellent product that will continue to increase our military capabilities. It’s a better investment than much of what we’ve thrown at LM, Boeing, etc.

USAID is complete garbage, not even a shell of what it was originally designed to be. Same applies to many orgs/sub-orgs that DOGE highlighted. The regulatory bureaucracy filled with unelected bureaucrats must die - it is not a negative to target those things for closure.

 

 

 

 

[HeloDude]

On 1/20/2025 at 11:18 PM, Stoker said:

It's not a Nazi salute - it's just a gesture intentionally close enough to a Nazi salute to let the people who like Nazi salutes know that you're really on their side.

Well, since you were so interested in Nazi salutes earlier this year…here’s another one for you:

 

Edited June 1 by HeloDude

[Vito]

The more democrats open their mouths, in the media, government, and even here, the dumber they sound. 

[disgruntledemployee]

I think this is the 1st firing.

 

https://www.nytimes.com/2025/08/08/us/politics/trump-billy-long-irs-commissioner.html?unlocked_article_code=1.ck8.z44y.Gr0LF8rc5uU0&smid=url-share

[ClearedHot]

On 8/8/2025 at 8:36 PM, disgruntledemployee said:

I think this is the 1st firing.

 

https://www.nytimes.com/2025/08/08/us/politics/trump-billy-long-irs-commissioner.html?unlocked_article_code=1.ck8.z44y.Gr0LF8rc5uU0&smid=url-share

He also fired the head of statistics at Labor...Not sure if that person was confirmed or not.  Reading how the stats have been "revised" ...criminy there is nonsense at every level of the government.  Watched special on the last census, the mistakes are unreal and shockingly gave the DNC more seats in 12 out of 14 cases.

[disgruntledemployee]

3 hours ago, ClearedHot said:

He also fired the head of statistics at Labor...Not sure if that person was confirmed or not.  Reading how the stats have been "revised" ...criminy there is nonsense at every level of the government.  Watched special on the last census, the mistakes are unreal and shockingly gave the DNC more seats in 12 our of 14 cases.

I own a house in another state.  The collection agency tenacity those people have to count you and their "you're breaking the law if you don't answer our questions" mentality was insane.  I didn't need to be counted twice.

[ClearedHot]

48 minutes ago, disgruntledemployee said:

I own a house in another state.  The collection agency tenacity those people have to count you and their "you're breaking the law if you don't answer our questions" mentality was insane.  I didn't need to be counted twice.

 

Combine that mentality with a political agenda.  In addition to the errors (that appear purposeful), they counted illegals.

[herkbier]

4 hours ago, ClearedHot said:

 

Combine that mentality with a political agenda.  In addition to the errors (that appear purposeful), they counted illegals.

Counting illegals is not really an error or mistake if you’re looking to get them on the voter rolls. Sounds like they did a bang up job. 

[disgruntledemployee]

For Pete's sake, STFU Hesgeth.

At least fake it that women are more than a baby factory.

https://www.yahoo.com/news/articles/christian-disgusting-people-appalled-secretary-204134067.html

I swear, this dude must step on his dick daily.

[ClearedHot]

1 hour ago, disgruntledemployee said:

For Pete's sake, STFU Hesgeth.

At least fake it that women are more than a baby factory.

https://www.yahoo.com/news/articles/christian-disgusting-people-appalled-secretary-204134067.html

I swear, this dude must step on his dick daily.

Completely unsat.  The Signal crap should have been enough but this is WAY over the line.  And before my fellow GOPers get your panties in a wad, we wanted Swalwell to resign after falling into the Fang Fang honey trap.  And, recall the statements the right made when Obama associated with Reverend Wright and all of his nonsense.  

If we say everyone should be held to the same standard, lets do it.  Hegseth should resign.

[Lord Ratner]

2 hours ago, ClearedHot said:

Completely unsat.  The Signal crap should have been enough but this is WAY over the line.  And before my fellow GOPers get your panties in a wad, we wanted Swalwell to resign after falling into the Fang Fang honey trap.  And, recall the statements the right made when Obama associated with Reverend Wright and all of his nonsense.  

If we say everyone should be held to the same standard, lets do it.  Hegseth should resign.

For this? Why? Because you don't like his beliefs? I don't agree with them either, though I haven't taken the time to listen to the complete interview.

 

I'd rather we just close off the pipeline of unfiltered reactions to every stimulus in the world. Our leaders should not have social media. We shouldn't know what they think about everything.

 

You guys are acting like you still haven't figured it out. They're all crazy. They're all idiots. If you expect these people (or any people) to have the right views and the right ideas and the right responses and the right actions to every possible situation, then every single one will be a let down. 

 

Vote for what matters *now.* Women are not going to be forcibly impregnated and kicked out of the workplace, losing their suffrage in the process. 

 

The signal thing was bad. 100% understand calling for removal for that. I don't think RFK Jr should be removed for thinking he has a worm in his brain, nor do I think Hank Johnson should be removed for thinking Guam could flip over. I don't think they should be voted for, but that's not the same as calling for their resignation. 

 

Cancel Culture indeed.

Edited 10 hours ago by Lord Ratner

[ClearedHot]

3 hours ago, Lord Ratner said:

For this? Why? Because you don't like his beliefs? I don't agree with them either, though I haven't taken the time to listen to the complete interview.

You might listen then pass judgement, the dude Hegseth is not just supporting but REPOSTING, openly professes women should be barred from service...not just combat service, but military service.  Would you think differently if the Secretary of the treasury was posting content that said black people should not get government backed loans?  When a senate confirmed cabinet secretary start posting content suggesting we discriminate based on race, gender or ideology then it is not a matter of me disagreeing with a belief.

3 hours ago, Lord Ratner said:

I'd rather we just close off the pipeline of unfiltered reactions to every stimulus in the world. Our leaders should not have social media. We shouldn't know what they think about everything.

Concur, but that isn't happening and until it does, voicing opinions like that while sitting in office, particularly an office that has the power to impose discriminating policies is lunacy.

3 hours ago, Lord Ratner said:

You guys are acting like you still haven't figured it out. They're all crazy. They're all idiots. If you expect these people (or any people) to have the right views and the right ideas and the right responses and the right actions to every possible situation, then every single one will be a let down. 

I don't think they are all crazy, but most of them are.  I don't expect them to all have the "right" answer.  We are a country founded on a vision of long debate and I support that debate in the right context.  That being said, it is wrong for the sitting SECDEF to try and turn the clock back 77 years and discriminate against women because of his religious beliefs.

3 hours ago, Lord Ratner said:

Vote for what matters *now.* Women are not going to be forcibly impregnated and kicked out of the workplace, losing their suffrage in the process. 

I don't think they are either, but this is a very slippery slope the GOP is on.  The overturned Roe v Wade, the gay rights/ gay marriage case is back before SCOTUS and you know the homophobic far-right is salivating to end gay marriage.  What is next?  The Jews?

3 hours ago, Lord Ratner said:

The signal thing was bad. 100% understand calling for removal for that. I don't think RFK Jr should be removed for thinking he has a worm in his brain, nor do I think Hank Johnson should be removed for thinking Guam could flip over. I don't think they should be voted for, but that's not the same as calling for their resignation. 

Apples to oranges...RFK and Johnson are loons, but what they said/did was not illegal.  Hegseth's actions were clearly illegal.  What would have happened to any one of us lowly people had we put classified info on Signal?

3 hours ago, Lord Ratner said:

Cancel Culture indeed.

I'd rather settle on accountability culture.  Break the law, be punished like everyone else.  Advocate for bias or discrimination while in an office of power...resign.

 

[brickhistory]

Weird flex to advocate for taking religious beliefs into account for job retention.  Seems like there's something written somewhere about that...

Also 

https://justthenews.com/government/security/pentagon-says-female-military-recruitment-all-service-branches-report

[Day Man]

Quote

"The bottom line is this administration and Secretary Hegseth has prioritized lethality and mission readiness over political pandering," Florida GOP Rep. Anna Paulina Luna told Fox News.

certainly one way to describe boot-height regs and open-ranks inspections 

[cragspider]

37 minutes ago, Day Man said:

certainly one way to describe boot-height regs and open-ranks inspections 

Funny thing was that crap was already in the colon ready to shit on the troops before the administration change. They have lost sight of the forest for the trees. Yet can’t figure out why we keep doing dumb things with airplanes….that mess we all knew was coming 6-9 years ago when it was proposed. 
 

I’ll just take comfort in my 214 blanket knowing that it doesn’t matter to me anymore… but then who would have listened then anyway? 

[slc]

25 minutes ago, cragspider said:

Funny thing was that crap was already in the colon ready to shit on the troops before the administration change.

Yes.  Very well said

[dream big]

26 minutes ago, cragspider said:

Funny thing was that crap was already in the colon ready to shit on the troops before the administration change. They have lost sight of the forest for the trees. Yet can’t figure out why we keep doing dumb things with airplanes….that mess we all knew was coming 6-9 years ago when it was proposed. 
 

I’ll just take comfort in my 214 blanket knowing that it doesn’t matter to me anymore… but then who would have listened then anyway? 

Correct, Wilsbach’s standards push in ACC was well before Trump was even elected and 99% of people even heard of Hegseth. 

[Lord Ratner]

4 hours ago, ClearedHot said:

You might listen then pass judgement, the dude Hegseth is not just supporting but REPOSTING, openly professes women should be barred from service...not just combat service, but military service.  Would you think differently if the Secretary of the treasury was posting content that said black people should not get government backed loans?  When a senate confirmed cabinet secretary start posting content suggesting we discriminate based on race, gender or ideology then it is not a matter of me disagreeing with a belief.

Gender differences ≠ Racial differences. So let's just skip that diversion. 

 

We already discriminate based on gender in the military. And we should. The extent to which we do so is a valid debate. Also, reposting something does not equal endorsing every word of an interview. As I said, I wish our leaders wouldn't post/repost/share anything, but they do. 

 

If Hegseth says he believes women should not serve, then you have a point. Hell, if he refuses to answer, even then you have a point. Right now you do not. 

 

4 hours ago, ClearedHot said:

Concur, but that isn't happening and until it does, voicing opinions like that while sitting in office, particularly an office that has the power to impose discriminating policies is lunacy.

Call it lunacy all you want. We will *never* have a functional government by this standard. I think it's lunacy to believe that gay people will go to hell. I also think it's lunacy to believe that gay parents are a drop-in substitute for straight parents. Every belief is absurd to someone.

 

But he did not voice an opinion about women serving or not serving. 

4 hours ago, ClearedHot said:

I don't think they are all crazy, but most of them are.  I don't expect them to all have the "right" answer.  We are a country founded on a vision of long debate and I support that debate in the right context.  That being said, it is wrong for the sitting SECDEF to try and turn the clock back 77 years and discriminate against women because of his religious beliefs.

*You* think it's wrong. Which is worse? Saying women shouldn't serve, or promoting seizing the means of production? What about hate speech laws? Affirmative action? 

 

How many people would die if we "turn the clock back 77 years" and ban women from military service versus legalizing all drugs? Is a discriminatory belief less acceptable than a fatal belief?

 

It's just hypothetical, since PetSouth has never said that women should be banned from serving. 

4 hours ago, ClearedHot said:

I don't think they are either, but this is a very slippery slope the GOP is on.  The overturned Roe v Wade, the gay rights/ gay marriage case is back before SCOTUS and you know the homophobic far-right is salivating to end gay marriage.  What is next?  The Jews?

Overturning RvW was the constitutional answer. Period. So now that's a step on the slippery slope? 

 

Also, could you elaborate on the gay marriage to Jews continuum? Not going to lie, watching you lump disparate issues together like this is making you sound more like Sotomayor then Alito.

If we shouldn't have a Secretary of defense that would roll back women serving in the military, do you also suggest that we shouldn't have supreme Court justices that would (did) roll back Roe v Wade? Do we appoint a new Arbiter of Acceptable Opinions, or do we just rely on the first amendment and let the voters to decide?

4 hours ago, ClearedHot said:

Apples to oranges...RFK and Johnson are loons, but what they said/did was not illegal.  Hegseth's actions were clearly illegal.  What would have happened to any one of us lowly people had we put classified info on Signal?

I already told you I agreed with you on Signal (that it is a fire-able offense, not that he *should* be fired), but we are talking specifically about this Twitter post. 

4 hours ago, ClearedHot said:

I'd rather settle on accountability culture.  Break the law, be punished like everyone else.  Advocate for bias or discrimination while in an office of power...resign.

I won't make so broad a statement, but again, if Pete Hegseth actually advocates for banning women from the military, then I will agree that he is the wrong person to run the DoD. But he hasn't done that, regardless of how much I disagree with him retweeting a ridiculous interview.

[brabus]

5 hours ago, ClearedHot said:

openly professes women should be barred from service...not just combat service, but military service.

Can’t find anything that supports that claim. He is opposed to combat roles and other certain areas (e.g. no women on subs). I watched the interview and searched around (but if I missed it in my googling, let me know).