Russian Ukraine shenanigans

[uhhello]

Supposedly FPV drone disabled and RPG finished it off.  Who knows.  Surprised it took this long.

[BashiChuni]

you guys are arguing speculating over a tank kill. lol.

 

 

Edited February 28, 2024 by BashiChuni

[uhhello]

And you're in here reading it.  rofl

[Lord Ratner]

On 2/26/2024 at 5:40 PM, BashiChuni said:

its gonna happen. ole joe gonna lead us right into WW3

This has been building for decades. The election of an idiot political class is part of the process, not the cause.

Francis Fukuyama is going to have to release a revision to his book. I'm just glad my kids will be too young for what's coming.

 

[VigilanteNav]

More interesting than tank kills.

Ukraine's Defence Intelligence posts final flight path of downed Russian A-50 – map | Ukrainska Pravda

So, that's 2 x A-50s down and this latest one is claimed to be from an S-200 (SA-5) and not a Patriot.  Pretty impressive they pulled out a system that in open sources says they retired 10 years ago and proceeded to shoot down an aircraft at that range.  This combined with the reporting that they've shot down around 10 fighters in the past week or so is making for a bad week for the Russian Air Force.  Ukraine might be losing some ground but the Russian Air Force is paying for it. 

[TreeA10]

The M-1 in the photo shows the blow out panel above the ammo storage blown out which is what they are supposed to do.  There is a sliding armored door separating the ammo storage from the crew compartment.  The picture might be flipped because I recall the ammo storage on the left side. They never let me drive or shoot it but I did learn to load the gun.  (Years ago ALO with armor battalion w/M-1 A1 later A2 tanks)

[BashiChuni]

7 hours ago, VigilanteNav said:

More interesting than tank kills.

Ukraine's Defence Intelligence posts final flight path of downed Russian A-50 – map | Ukrainska Pravda

So, that's 2 x A-50s down and this latest one is claimed to be from an S-200 (SA-5) and not a Patriot.  Pretty impressive they pulled out a system that in open sources says they retired 10 years ago and proceeded to shoot down an aircraft at that range.  This combined with the reporting that they've shot down around 10 fighters in the past week or so is making for a bad week for the Russian Air Force.  Ukraine might be losing some ground but the Russian Air Force is paying for it. 

The Russians are happy to pay for it. They are winning. As evidence I submit the panic in the EU. And nato. Floating ideas of committing NATO ground troops in Ukraine. That type of dangerous rhetoric wouldn’t be happening if Ukraine was winning. 
 

so celebrate all your tactical victories as we lose the strategic war. Typical American officer corps. 

[fire4effect]

4 hours ago, TreeA10 said:

The M-1 in the photo shows the blow out panel above the ammo storage blown out which is what they are supposed to do.  There is a sliding armored door separating the ammo storage from the crew compartment.  The picture might be flipped because I recall the ammo storage on the left side. They never let me drive or shoot it but I did learn to load the gun.  (Years ago ALO with armor battalion w/M-1 A1 later A2 tanks)

Did they ever give you a 2 pound sledge hammer and send you out to the motor pool to check for thin spots in the armor? 🙂

Edited February 28, 2024 by fire4effect

[frog]

32 minutes ago, BashiChuni said:

 Floating ideas of committing NATO ground troops in Ukraine. 

Who is floating these ideas? Seriously. I haven’t seen a serious discussion of sending NATO land forces into Ukraine.

[gearhog]

8 minutes ago, frog said:

Who is floating these ideas? Seriously. I haven’t seen a serious discussion of sending NATO land forces into Ukraine.

 

[BashiChuni]

1 hour ago, frog said:

Who is floating these ideas? Seriously. I haven’t seen a serious discussion of sending NATO land forces into Ukraine.

Happened recently. Blustery rhetoric to force the US house’s hand to pass Ukraine money? A possibility. But certainly dangerous, escalatory rhetoric. 
and not a good indicator for how the reality on the ground in Ukraine is. 

[BashiChuni]

To be fair the Biden administration continues to say no US troops will be committed. 

https://www.politico.com/newsletters/national-security-daily/2024/02/27/france-troops-in-ukraine-us-no-00143498

[FourFans]

42 minutes ago, BashiChuni said:

To be fair the Biden administration continues to say no US troops will be committed. 

https://www.politico.com/newsletters/national-security-daily/2024/02/27/france-troops-in-ukraine-us-no-00143498

...yeah, and there was no border crisis over the past 3 years...

[BashiChuni]

Which is why it’s so frightening. This administration is incompetent. 

[TreeA10]

4 hours ago, fire4effect said:

Did they ever give you a 2 pound sledge hammer and send you out to the motor pool to check for thin spots in the armor? 🙂

No but I did learn how to heat MREs on the exhaust louvers.

[Lord Ratner]

9 hours ago, BashiChuni said:

The Russians are happy to pay for it. They are winning. As evidence I submit the panic in the EU. And nato. Floating ideas of committing NATO ground troops in Ukraine. That type of dangerous rhetoric wouldn’t be happening if Ukraine was winning. 
 

so celebrate all your tactical victories as we lose the strategic war. Typical American officer corps. 

Wait, are you against non-US NATO countries sending ground troops into Ukraine?

[gearhog]

Financial Times article from today details some leaked Russian nuclear doctrine, including the thresholds required for nukes to be used.

https://www.ft.com/content/f18e6e1f-5c3d-4554-aee5-50a730b306b7

[BashiChuni]

47 minutes ago, Lord Ratner said:

Wait, are you against non-US NATO countries sending ground troops into Ukraine?

You aren’t!?

[gearhog]

Germany pissed off the Brits today by revealing British soldiers are, in fact, already on the ground in Ukraine and helping the Ukr army launch long-range cruise missiles against Russia.

https://news.yahoo.com/british-soldiers-ukraine-helping-fire-195700593.html?guccounter=1&guce_referrer=aHR0cHM6Ly90LmNvLw&guce_referrer_sig=AQAAANthDvD7fFcnt40QA9svzNDCwc4UHmwd50vlnHruuR61ggiElu8UYv40vyJHe-WP6rwtK8swSSWMnl9GPVOHxyXSFKTx5mECVDXDTUOtSLlfa3RgPcJE6Q_ckCq9nebLncS1z3SHQo1flxAO-D2coNTlDb3fZdbbUfFh1QC6hFM6

 

[Lord Ratner]

11 hours ago, BashiChuni said:

You aren’t!?

No. I thought the whole point was America shouldn't be meddling in European affairs.

Now the European countries are deciding they don't want to tolerate Russian expansionism in their back yard. That's their choice, right? But you're against that too? So countries should be able to defend themselves without external assistance, or be taken by whoever decides to invade. That'll play out well 😂🤣

So now you're not an America First isolationist, you're just pro-Russian.

You've always had the weakest arguments on this board, but this is a particularly interesting development.

Edited February 29, 2024 by Lord Ratner

[Prosuper]

On 2/27/2024 at 8:56 PM, fire4effect said:

Tanker friend of mine said those are the doors that are supposed to open during an ammo cook off, its out of action but repairable and the crew should have survived. There is a US Abrams video during the Thunder run through Baghdad that got hit and we saw the crew jumping out of it, some of them on fire dousing themselves with bottled water. 

[BashiChuni]

42 minutes ago, Lord Ratner said:

No. I thought the whole point was America shouldn't be meddling in European affairs.

Now the European countries are deciding they don't want to tolerate Russian expansionism in their back yard. That's their choice, right? But you're against that too? So countries should be able to defend themselves without external assistance, or be taken by whoever decides to invade. That'll play out well 😂🤣

So now you're not an America First isolationist, you're just pro-Russian.

You've always had the weakest arguments on this board, but this is a particularly interesting development.

but we ARE meddling. we're attached to a little boys club called NATO. and if NATO troops get overrun and fucked up in Ukraine then what do you think will happen?!

and once again Ukraine is NOT NATO.

if europe wants to fuck around and find out IRT russia have at it, but don't drag our country into it.

my arguments were correct about COVID. i assume they will be correct about ukraine.

[Lord Ratner]

17 minutes ago, BashiChuni said:

but we ARE meddling. we're attached to a little boys club called NATO. and if NATO troops get overrun and fucked up in Ukraine then what do you think will happen?!

and once again Ukraine is NOT NATO.

if europe wants to fuck around and find out IRT russia have at it, but don't drag our country into it.

my arguments were correct about COVID. i assume they will be correct about ukraine.

Being right about covid is like being right against a flat earther. Not a very high bar.

 

So now your argument is that because the European countries are a part of NATO, they are not allowed to engage in military conflict outside of the alliance without the permission of the US? Or of all NATO countries combined?

So basically the existence of NATO means, non-nato countries are expressly excluded from any form of direct military support from NATO countries, because that would, in your opinion, necessitate the intervention of NATO as a whole, including the US.

What a fantastically interesting argument, and then why wouldn't Russia want other countries excluded from joining NATO? Not only are they not part of the alliance that Russia overtly hates, but they are now fair game for conquest because NATO countries cannot defend non-nato countries by your logic, regardless of their regional interests in the war.

 

Now, if you want to make an argument that the United States should declare ahead of time that they will not invoke Article 5 if NATO ground forces participating *in* Ukraine are attacked *on* Ukrainian soil, that's a more reasonable position.

 

But your arguments is the best advertisement I've heard yet for other countries joining NATO. If you don't join NATO, there are literally no circumstances under which friendly NATO countries will intervene on your behalf. You're on your own, good luck.

 

You're just arguing for pure isolationism. That doesn't have an impressive track record.

[BashiChuni]

22 minutes ago, Lord Ratner said:

Being right about covid is like being right against a flat earther. Not a very high bar.

Valid. but i was still right.

 

 

You're just arguing for pure isolationism. That doesn't have an impressive track record.

not pure isolationism. i'm arguing this isn't nato's fight. ukraine isn't nato. US foreign policy post WWII has a disastrous track record. not sure why you put so much faith in US "intervention"

 

[BashiChuni]

look man bottom line is this:

if NATO commits troops into ukraine WW3 is on. is that what you want? i dont.

pretty incredible how careless the pro-intervention crowd is.