The WOKE Thread (Merged from WTF?)

[Blue]

18 hours ago, uhhello said:

It's not America though.  They are certainly trying their best to make it seem like this is common though.  Sure does wonders for keeping people enraged and engaged.  

Yup.  Always have to keep in mind that the media is incentivized to keep your eyeballs on their site/station.  You occasionally get a window into the sausage being made, like when Ariana Pekary (MSNBC producer) resigned via a scathing public letter.

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"The model blocks diversity of thought and content because the networks have incentive to amplify fringe voices and events, at the expense of others… all because it pumps up the ratings."

[GrndPndr]

1 hour ago, tac airlifter said:

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These are not people who love the country as I do & we can find a way to meet in the middle. These are people who literally want to abolish the white race (among other dangerous positions).  Has any population peacefully coexisted with such disparity in morality?  “Live and let live” has been usurped by “obey or be punished” for Democrats.

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The left has been indoctrinated to believe that the US is evil, and that we would be better without it (this country).  There are many people who are ashamed about the principles of capitalism and a representative republic.  For example, when I watch TV from say the BBC (in England), I get lots of nationalism and pride.  When I watch a documentary here (PBS is typical), I get lots of regret, revisionism and accusation.  How much punishment do I have to take as a US citizen - from my own people?

Our left feels that US nationalism is completely evil, and needs to be eliminated.  The minor detail here, is that other countries have really strong nationalism, something out left tries to ignore.

[GrndPndr]

Is this pride (and lack of pride) a bad thing, or just an indicator?

The first group was asked how proud they were, then the second group (notice the bewilderment?)

 

Edited October 27, 2022 by GrndPndr
Cuz

[Biff_T]

2 hours ago, GrndPndr said:

Is this pride (and lack of pride) a bad thing, or just an indicator?

The first group was asked how proud they were, then the second group (notice the bewilderment?)

 

It's a product of the last 30 years of being taught to hate yourself if you're white.   I'm calling it what it is.   I remember being taught that we're all Americans and to not see race when I was young.  Now the message is to be proud of were your ancestors came from unless they came from Europe.  Until this changes, we are always going to be divided.   I'm not really sure why people are so "proud" to be from somewhere.  It's not like we got to choose what color to be born.   

Edited October 27, 2022 by Biff_T

[ClearedHot]

7 hours ago, Lord Ratner said:

My point is that your approach to have conversations with those who politically disagree with you can't start with clearly demeaning commentary if (big "if" in the era of look-at-how-smart-I-am Internet posting) your goal is actually to change minds and build consensus against stupid/dangerous policy.

 

Or perhaps put more elegantly by someone we can all look up to, regardless of background or political alignment...

Thank you for your valuable critique Karen...Chaz or whatever your name is.  I great appreciate your unsolicited and useless feedback, I am almost a better person for having read it.  For the record, I have NO intent of changing minds that can't be changed but I do enjoy pointing out the lunacy of what they propose. 

As far as your personality assessment, well...I am a pilot so perhaps I'm an asshole afterall.

Or maybe I am a straight up asshole...either way, with all due respect, I could care less what you think 🙂

Finally, I would invite you to use that wonderful little ignore button, that way you wont be triggered, offended or develop any sort of social PTSD reading my future posts.  Cheers! 🥃

[ViperMan]

12 hours ago, Lord Ratner said:

You either believe that liberal American voters are by and large patriotic Americans who love their kids the same way you do and serve their country with the same motivations, or you believe they are committed operatives of the Democratic party who engage in online conversation to soften the beach head for absurd policies that target the most vulnerable amongst us.

 

If you believe the latter, then maybe you're the problem too.

#1, but with a whole lotta "been woefully misled" into thinking all manner of asinine things.

[Guardian]

Thank you for your valuable critique Karen...Chaz or whatever your name is.  I great appreciate your unsolicited and useless feedback, I am almost a better person for having read it.  For the record, I have NO intent of changing minds that can't be changed but I do enjoy pointing out the lunacy of what they propose. 
As far as your personality assessment, well...I am a pilot so perhaps I'm an asshole afterall.
[/url] Or maybe I am a straight up asshole...either way, with all due respect, I could care less what you think
Finally, I would invite you to use that wonderful little ignore button, that way you wont be triggered, offended or develop any sort of social PTSD reading my future posts.  Cheers! 🥃

I’m a little slow. Forgive me. What was your point in that post? You disagreed with him but I’m not sure why or what your counter was.

[O Face]

4 minutes ago, ViperMan said:

#1, but with a whole lotta "been woefully misled" into thinking all manner of asinine things.

Yeah, but the thing that really leaves me scratching my head is all the major corporations spewing their woke bullshit, around the clock, even at the expense of their own bottom line. It definitely leaves one feeling someone is tugging the puppet strings from behind the curtain. 

[brabus]

1 hour ago, O Face said:

even at the expense of their own bottom line

Quite the opposite - being woke makes them shitloads of money (at least in the short term). They’ll go “un-woke” the second they can’t profit from it. Read Woke Inc - great book on this topic.

[ViperMan]

2 hours ago, O Face said:

Yeah, but the thing that really leaves me scratching my head is all the major corporations spewing their woke bullshit, around the clock, even at the expense of their own bottom line. It definitely leaves one feeling someone is tugging the puppet strings from behind the curtain. 

Oh. There is NO doubt about that. You either have a DEI slide in your sales pitch and have HR "on board" with hiring people based on immutable characteristics, or you can kiss any privilege the government grants you in whatever field you operate in goodbye. Period. Appease the God in government, or GTFO.

Look at every airline right now. United is trying to hire 50% "POC" (whatever that means) and women. And it's not because they thought it up in a corporate meeting all by themselves.

[O Face]

2 hours ago, brabus said:

Quite the opposite - being woke makes them shitloads of money (at least in the short term). They’ll go “un-woke” the second they can’t profit from it. Read Woke Inc - great book on this topic.

I guess I meant when folks like me get fed up with the corporation’s shit and stop buying their product. It seems to me that it would be so much easier to just keep quiet as a corporation and not piss off at least half of your clientele. I’ve been drinking RC with my Jack Daniels for years now…I wonder if Coke misses me?  I’ll check that book out. 

Edited October 28, 2022 by O Face
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[Lord Ratner]

8 hours ago, ClearedHot said:

Thank you for your valuable critique Karen...Chaz or whatever your name is.  I great appreciate your unsolicited and useless feedback, I am almost a better person for having read it.  For the record, I have NO intent of changing minds that can't be changed but I do enjoy pointing out the lunacy of what they propose. 

As far as your personality assessment, well...I am a pilot so perhaps I'm an asshole afterall.

Or maybe I am a straight up asshole...either way, with all due respect, I could care less what you think 🙂

Finally, I would invite you to use that wonderful little ignore button, that way you wont be triggered, offended or develop any sort of social PTSD reading my future posts.  Cheers! 🥃

So wait, the guy who posts a dozen times a day on the web board is now whining about unsolicited feedback? Why would I ignore you when I can just call you out? Who's the Karen exactly?

 

Just another retired cog that didn't rock the boat when they could have made a difference, but now has a mission to keep it real on the internet. 

 

I'm sure the fight against social justice insanity will make huge strides with Boomer memes and more worthless political team-ism, but I think I'll stick with faith in the American people and not write off half the country because Fox News told me that Democrats all hate genders and white people. 😉

 

[Lord Ratner]

4 hours ago, ViperMan said:

#1, but with a whole lotta "been woefully misled" into thinking all manner of asinine things.

Exactly. And they won't be guided back to reality through ridicule. 

[O Face]

1 hour ago, ViperMan said:

Look at every airline right now. United is trying to hire 50% "POC" (whatever that means) and women. And it's not because they thought it up in a corporate meeting all by themselves.

I doubt Kirby even knows what it means, but yes I agree, Uncle Sugar has his hand up Kirby’s ass far enough to get his fvckin lips to say whatever horseshit he wants. 

[Lord Ratner]

16 hours ago, brabus said:

Are we talking about “traditional” liberal democrats or are we talking about progressive liberals?

Definitely the former, who make up the vast majority of Democratic voters (not activists or politicians).

 

They are, by and large, the Democrats we live with, served with, and work with. And they are the only path to "fixing" the Democratic party, so yeah, we shouldn't treat them like shit for the mistake of trusting an activist class with an agenda.

[ViperMan]

59 minutes ago, Lord Ratner said:

Exactly. And they won't be guided back to reality through ridicule. 

Fair enough, but they're so far gone, fact, reason, and logic aren't going to work either...hence, I'll choose ridicule and laughter.

[ClearedHot]

6 hours ago, Lord Ratner said:

Words...

[Lord Ratner]

6 hours ago, ViperMan said:

Fair enough, but they're so far gone, fact, reason, and logic aren't going to work either...hence, I'll choose ridicule and laughter.

I'm my experience, most overwhelmingly are not. Again, I'm not talking about someone who runs a nonprofit or PAC. Just a Democratic voter. 

 

The dialog is dead, and if you can't talk, you can't think. Abortion, transgenderism, racism, policing, immigration... I haven't found a single person, including some of my actual progressive friends, who actually hold the party line. But they have to be prodded, they have to go through the process of hearing the ridiculous policy, saying it out loud themselves, then trying (and failing) to explain it coherently to someone who is legit interested in hearing their reasoning without calling them a clown. I *rarely* ever have to do more than ask for a cogent explanation and then just let them stumble around until eventually they say something in direct conflict with the activist message. Some examples of things I have yet to see survive this process:

- All white people are racist. Actually racist against minorities.

- The current border situation is ok

- Abortion should be allowed for any reason on the day of delivery (this one *never* survives contact with a parent, and only rarely survives with anyone else)

- 5 year olds should be given irreversible hormones if they think they are a different gender

- The police are systemically killing unarmed black people (have to be able to cite FBI statistics)

- Homeless people should be free to live the way they are living now in most cities

 

Over and over and over I'm amazed at how quickly these insane ideas disintegrate upon the first instance of the well-intentioned liberal having to explain it to someone who isn't making fun of them, using some stupid nickname to describe their affiliation, or (and this is the big one) implying right off the bat that anyone who's would vote for a politician who supports/makes these claims must be stupid, unpatriotic, or evil.

 

You'd think after being treated that way for years, the Trump voters would realize how shitty it is and refrain from doing the same, but social media and 24 hour cable news have turned politics into a revenge sport, where whataboutism and score keeping are more important than consensus and finding truth. 

 

Shit, I see it with family members (in my family as well). People who spend decades living together suddenly accusing the other of being anti-American, evil, of hating some group or another, of "being the problem." Never once for something they actually *do,* and always for who they voted for, as if a single vote implies absolute allegiance to any and all of a political party's most dogmatic or absurd positions. It's obviously wrong, yet so easy a trap to fall into.

Edited October 28, 2022 by Lord Ratner

[brabus]

8 hours ago, O Face said:

I guess I meant when folks like me get fed up with the corporation’s shit and stop buying their product. It seems to me that it would be so much easier to just keep quiet as a corporation and not piss off at least half of your clientele. I’ve been drinking RC with my Jack Daniels for years now…I wonder if Coke misses me?  I’ll check that book out. 

I’m hoping the actions of people like us will be what ultimately corrects corporate America back to how they should act. I think it’ll happen, but how long it’ll take is the million dollar question. 

[SurelySerious]

I’m hoping the actions of people like us will be what ultimately corrects corporate America back to how they should act. I think it’ll happen, but how long it’ll take is the million dollar question. 

When the gubmint subsidizes and incentivizes more bureaucracy in the name of DEI…makes it more difficult. But hopefully.

[brabus]

Agreed - but at some point it’ll break, the subsidies will just lengthen the process. 

[brabus]

Woke-related: the meltdown from the progressives over Elon’s twitter acquisition is nothing short of hilarious, but also still shocking how incredibly delusional so many people are.

One gem of a tweet: “Nearly every American media institution is now openly right-wing”. That is some next-level delusion/ignorance. 
 

[ClearedHot]

3 minutes ago, brabus said:

Woke-related: the meltdown from the progressives over Elon’s twitter acquisition is nothing short of hilarious, but also still shocking how incredibly delusional so many people are.

One gem of a tweet: “Nearly every American media institution is now openly right-wing”. That is some next-level delusion/ignorance. 
 

And the maddening part is the press will echo that accusation.

Both sides do and say terrible things but the press was supposed to be there to correct the record, find and report the truth, be the fourth estate and provide a check and balance on the government.  Unfortunately the press lost it's way and picked a side, that has enabled so much false information that has been pushed to the headlines. 

I hope Elon publishes the algorithms that were being used at Twitter...good or bad it will be interesting to see the ground truth on the amount of manipulation performed by big tech.  I also hope he finds a way to keep Twitter profitable and functioning so there is a method to share the truth whether I agree with what is being said or not.

[lloyd christmas]

2 hours ago, Lord Ratner said:

- All white people are racist. Actually racist against minorities.

- The current border situation is ok

- Abortion should be allowed for any reason on the day of delivery (this one *never* survives contact with a parent, and only rarely survives with anyone else)

- 5 year olds should be given irreversible hormones if they think they are a different gender

- The police are systemically killing unarmed black people (have to be able to cite FBI statistics)

- Homeless people should be free to live the way they are living now in most cities

Over and over and over I'm amazed at how quickly these insane ideas disintegrate upon the first instance of the well-intentioned liberal having to explain it to someone who isn't making fun of them, using some stupid nickname to describe their affiliation, or (and this is the big one) implying right off the bat that anyone who's would vote for a politician who supports/makes these claims must be stupid, unpatriotic, or evil.

Every situation or narrative you listed above has either been created by, promoted, defended or championed by democrats.  Elected democrats aren’t changing their stance on the policies that created these issues, they are doubling down.  Every day there are more examples of Democrat policies getting more and more insane. Hopefully, November 8th will be a wake up call for democrats.  

Edited October 28, 2022 by lloyd christmas

[ClearedHot]

100%

it is my belief that the vast majority of Americans are in the middle sharing views form both parties.  The bifurcation is pushed by the extremes of both parties.  For years the far right has pushed religious based agendas but that pales in comparison to extreme progressive agenda that in many ways wants to literally destroy the United States as it exists today.  I would love to see us get back to the middle, but with the universities and press controlled by the left it is going to be an uphill battle.

It is almost comical, to be lectured by this cat.  I have been lambasted on this forum for saying I am pro-choice.  I've also said I want to Trump to go away and I am in favor and support Gay Rights yet he defaults to lumping me into the hard core right wing and without knowing me or what I did judges my career as a failure.  Oh well it is a free country and I believe in the first amendment even if you are insulting me and saying something I don't agree with...Murica 🇺🇸.