2 hours ago, ClearedHot said:

Makes me question the competence of leadership in ways I never did before. To the point I think some are starting to show the first signs of dementia. 

I’m sure it’s written down somewhere…

Anybody wanna guess at the amount of cost and effort expended to build secure compounds in a hurry on Kabul… Vice using the airfield you’ve had for decades with dozens of literal compounds on it.

The North ECP was even “proof tested” in December of 19.


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And now the Taliban is saying Afghans can no longer leave the country because it’s “not safe” for them at the airport. 

 

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-9921611/Ex-Navy-Seal-imagines-hes-Biden-reveals-fix-fatal-mistakes-Afghanistan.html

Inability to extend the deadline means lots of people getting left. Not sure about American Citizens but Visa holders for sure. 

After the Taliban said they would not accept an extension of the August 31 Deadline, President Biden announced he will not extend our presence beyond Aug 31.  Even Pentagon Spokesman Baghdad Kirby stated it will take days (72 hours), to extract all U.S. forces.  Realistically that means this thing starts to get even more ugly in 2-3 days.

AND....The Taliban have now said it is no longer safe for Afghans to leave the country, they need the engineers and professionals to help rebuild the country.  Let the massacre ensue.

FINALLY...there is an intelligence paper with credible sources that says the Taliban and Al Qaeda plan to launch an attack on the Kabul airport.

This should bring down the administration.

 

Sure is a good thing we had to put pulling out on hold because of the election/transfer of power.  It really helped to wait until the fighting season when were up against a tight deadline.  Listen up young pups, remember this shit next time politicians are playing fucky games with your lives and make your life decisions appropriately.  

Man… the meme generation of this has been spectacularly dark.


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I wonder what he would think if he were still here.

https://www.google.com/url?sa=t&rct=j&q=&esrc=s&source=web&cd=&cad=rja&uact=8&ved=2ahUKEwiosZT4n8ryAhUMCc0KHWElC2cQFnoECBgQAw&url=https%3A%2F%2Fen.wikipedia.org%2Fwiki%2FRonald_J._Shurer&usg=AOvVaw17VUTVZKTtep21Syz_oQ1E

And if Biden could look him in the eye.

Edited August 24, 20214 yr by fire4effect
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I get it, he hates Trump but I don’t understand why he insists on constantly pointing fingers at the GOP rather then the actual decision makers now.  He might as well go ahead and switch parties…
 

https://ktvz.com/videos/2021/08/22/gop-congressman-places-blame-on-trump-admin-for-crisis-in-afghanistan-they-set-this-up-to-fail-3/

Being serious for a minute: we need to file an FOIA request on the performance evaluations of every GO tied to CENTCOM and the draw down next year. 

Because I swear to go if I see some bull shit like "Hacho'd largest strat airlift op since Berlin--Saved 70K US Cit" I'm going to fucking throw a fit. 

Not a single person above the rank of Lt Col should be considering this operation a success. 

On 8/23/2021 at 9:03 AM, FLEA said:

Found out most ANSOF are staying to fight even though many have been offered visas. Panjshir isnt far from Bagram. I'm wondering if any consideration is given to helping ANSOF retake Bagram before we say final peace if the Aug 31 deadline isn't extended. This would give the US a usable airfield to continue evacuation from as long as people can get out of Kabul. Would also seriously threaten the Taliban's long term capability to control Kabul. They may need to withdrawal to Kandahar. 

I've seen a few of your posts saying things like this.  Not sure where you're getting your info, but it's completely wrong.  The entire AFG military folded without a fight when the enemy hit Kabul. 

There is no doubt in my mind that the spin machine will twist this into several BPZ promotions.

Remember the 4 instruments of national power, DIME, diplomacy, information, military, and economy?

Afghanistan is 'weeks to months' from economic collapse, experts say (msn.com)

The first three haven't worked so well lately but the Taliban are getting ready to get a reminder in economic pain. The world economy just isn't what it was in the 90s especially in regards to cash flow. No stimulus checks for you.

Remember the 4 instruments of national power, DIME, diplomacy, information, military, and economy?
Afghanistan is 'weeks to months' from economic collapse, experts say (msn.com)
The first three haven't worked so well lately but the Taliban are getting ready to get a reminder in economic pain. The world economy just isn't what it was in the 90s especially in regards to cash flow. No stimulus checks for you.

Well, their entire economy is based on opium, so they might be ok unless the chinese have undermined that whole thing too.

25 minutes ago, fire4effect said:

Remember the 4 instruments of national power, DIME, diplomacy, information, military, and economy?

Afghanistan is 'weeks to months' from economic collapse, experts say (msn.com)

The first three haven't worked so well lately but the Taliban are getting ready to get a reminder in economic pain. The world economy just isn't what it was in the 90s especially in regards to cash flow. No stimulus checks for you.

I have a feeling that "economy" is low on the list of Taliban priorities.

Apparently Taliban starting to fly captured US Blackhawk

 

Uh. that's not really flying...

6 minutes ago, pawnman said:

I have a feeling that "economy" is low on the list of Taliban priorities.

I'm sure it is at the moment but even religious fanatics have to pay the bills eventually.

2 hours ago, RedEye1911 said:

Hell, OPRs should be public records. Anyone should be able to see the bullshit that is put on them.

 

Wonder if I my bullet "Saved the government xxx,xxx dollars by cancelling >XX pointless sorties where we weren't allowed to do shit anyway," will make it through the wickets? 

Apparently Taliban starting to fly captured US Blackhawk
 
Uh. that's not really flying...

Light grey and Raptor guys somewhere… fuming at the idea that Super Hornets might get another air to air kill before they do…


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22 minutes ago, Lawman said:

Light grey and Raptor guys somewhere… fuming at the idea that Super Hornets might get another air to air kill before they do…


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Call the F-15Cs. They are experienced at shooting down American Blackhawks.

5 minutes ago, RedEye1911 said:

Call the F-15Cs. They are experienced at shooting down American Blackhawks.

Pretty harsh dude, and not entirely on their shoulders. 

5 hours ago, FLEA said:

Being serious for a minute: we need to file an FOIA request on the performance evaluations of every GO tied to CENTCOM and the draw down next year. 

Because I swear to go if I see some bull shit like "Hacho'd largest strat airlift op since Berlin--Saved 70K US Cit" I'm going to fucking throw a fit. 

Not a single person above the rank of Lt Col should be considering this operation a success. 

Agreed. “We must be very careful not to assign to this deliverance the attributes of a victory. Wars are not won by evacuations.”

As far as the economic troubles of the Taliban go, it's not just a question of paying the bills. You don't have cities of four million people in a country where subsistence agriculture is the primary occupation. Famine by the end of next year absent the Taliban making a deal to continue food aid... Which may not be a bad thing from the Taliban's perspective, since Kabul's population is likely to be the one least friendly to them. 

On 8/24/2021 at 1:04 PM, ClearedHot said:

This should bring down the administration.

I think that’s a pipe dream for republicans. But…..2024 isn’t that far away. I count myself as a moderate Democrat who isn’t necessarily opposed to voting R. So who’s gonna run? Trump? Sorry, but that’s as much a no-go for the left as Hillary was for the right. Desantis? Same shit, slightly diluted. Put up a sane, rational, non-octogenarian and you might find a lot of Americans are game.