WO billets come from officer numbers.

When the E-8 and E-9 ranks were created, the AF killed the WO billets to accommodate.

When the E-8 and E-9 ranks were created, the AF killed the WO billets to accommodate.

No shit. But WOs count against officer billets regardless of what the AF did after getting rid of WOs.

HAF has said multiple times that WOs won’t come back.

43 minutes ago, ThreeHoler said:

 

No shit. But WOs count against officer billets regardless of what the AF did after getting rid of WOs.
 

 

And this is what every discussion started by enlisted guys about how making them WOs would solve all problems is missing. 

4 minutes ago, HuggyU2 said:

Easy now-but I do know quite a few that may resemble that remark

4 hours ago, SurelySerious said:

And this is what every discussion started by enlisted guys about how making them WOs would solve all problems is missing. 

Plus...civilians are "cheaper" in the long run.

Oh, father time catches up to us all. These folks sold Top Gun, they could sell a Space Force:

 

Edited August 17, 20187 yr by HarleyQuinn

Report to Congress on How to Create a U.S. Space Force (finally, some "official" details covering this Space Force stuff);

https://fas.org/sgp/crs/natsec/IF10950.pdf

On 8/11/2018 at 12:08 PM, SurelySerious said:

And this is what every discussion started by enlisted guys about how making them WOs would solve all problems is missing. 

IMHO I will give a enlisted POV. Lets say you have a 15 year TIS MSgt who is the go to guy for whatever Sq he is in, for the sake of argument a Aircraft MX Sq since that is my background. He is great at making sure today's schedule has jets to full fill the contracted request from Ops. Deploys more than his fair share and works the crummy shift . His troops are trained and ready. 

 Now this same NCO gets called into the E-9's office to discuss his future, gets berated for not taking part in the Top 4 activities, not being at the last 4 years Xmas parties (deployed), no bake sales, and only going to PME graduations if he has a troop graduating. No Senior Rater endorsement for you. You leave the office thinking that guy is a douche bag and why the hell would I ever want to be a Chief. Then your thinking its going to be a long 5 years . 

Now the USAF has this option of the WO program, its a no brainer.

On 8/11/2018 at 2:55 PM, 17D_guy said:

Plus...civilians are "cheaper" in the long run.

Less flexible to utilize as well.

3 hours ago, Sua Sponte said:

Less flexible to utilize as well.

Not if you write the PD correctly, and hire correctly.

Which the AF won't

https://www.airforcetimes.com/news/your-air-force/2018/10/04/report-trump-may-fire-air-force-secretary-wilson-over-space-force/

BLUF: Secretary Wilson May get fired over slow rolling Space Force 😑

So, it’s official. It’s in the NDAA. And there’s a website. https://www.spaceforce.mil
 

Looks like everyone that was in AFSPC is now in the USSF.  They’re still Airmen in the Air Force, but will transition in the next 18 months  

 

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18 minutes ago, HU&W said:

So, it’s official. It’s in the NDAA. And there’s a website. https://www.spaceforce.mil
 

Looks like everyone that was in AFSPC is now in the USSF.  They’re still Airmen in the Air Force, but will transition in the next 18 months  

 

That website feels like, “oh, crap...this is happening? Uhhh, copy-paste...copy-paste. Generic line about being under the secaf sts. Do we have a logo?”

I'm gonna go ahead and say lunar deployments suck and the astronaut bonus is an insult.

Soldiers, Sailors, Airmen, Marines, and _________?

19 minutes ago, HU&W said:

Soldiers, Sailors, Airmen, Marines, and _________?

Spacepersons

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Soldiers, Sailors, Airmen, Marines, and _________?

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7 hours ago, HU&W said:

Soldiers, Sailors, Airmen, Marines, and _________?

This, along with uniforms and the logo, are the main things being talked about outside the USSF launch team, actually. (Not even joking. If you can’t do something impactful, better do something visible...).

So far the lead contenders are “Vangaurds”, and “Sentinels”. Sounds a bit space-adventurey/2001-ish if you ask me. 

Im surprised they aren’t considering other options... 

Chuck

1 hour ago, Chuck17 said:

This, along with uniforms and the logo, are the main things being talked about outside the USSF launch team, actually. (Not even joking. If you can’t do something impactful, better do something visible...).

So far the lead contenders are “Vangaurds”, and “Sentinels”. Sounds a bit space-adventurey/2001-ish if you ask me. 

Im surprised they aren’t considering other options... 

Chuck

As much as it seems it shouldn’t, these things matter.  Look at the stumbles in the AF over the last 30 years in logo/motto/slogan/creed/uniforms as we’ve tried to balance modernization with heritage and culture (all while fighting for relevance).  They need to get this right, so heritage and culture can grow from the start. 

Soldiers, Sailors, Airmen, Marines, and _________?

https://getyarn.io/yarn-clip/2c13dde1-6649-47a7-909e-b124b6b93052

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2 hours ago, Chuck17 said:

So far the lead contenders are “Vangaurds”, and “Sentinels”. Sounds a bit space-adventurey/2001-ish if you ask me

Obviously the motto must be “To infinity....and beyond!”

11 hours ago, HU&W said:

Soldiers, Sailors, Airmen, Marines, and _________?

Star troopers

 

Obviously before the officers are commissioned they will be designated “Space Cadets.”