6 hours ago, ClearedHot said:

Iranians are the masters of bad negotiating....delay delay delay then lie.

Trump has a blind spot with the art of the deal and does not understand how good they are at this game.

Beyond the lunatics in the IRGC if you want to understand some of the motivations of the Iranian people I highly recommend this book the "Persian Puzzle"...it was very eye opening. A group of people that have been conquered as a way of life.

You think any appointee in this admin understands Iran, let alone ever read a book on em? Maybe print a label to read on Kash whiskey or Facts of Iran on beer cans for Pete. They're all Tards.

1 hour ago, ClearedHot said:

Or....agree to multiple deal and violate all of them - The lies began when Iran’s nuclear weapons program was first exposed. In 2002, an Iranian opposition group reported that Iran had built secret enrichment and heavy water production facilities in violation of treaty commitments. Following extensive diplomacy, Iran signed on to the Tehran Declaration in October 2003, agreeing to “suspend all uranium enrichment and reprocessing activities.”

However, in August 2005, Iran resumed its enrichment activities. This led to diplomatic action that resulted in a series of United Nations Security Council (UNSC) sanctions imposed on Iran starting with resolution 1696 in July 2006. Iran’s continued defiance of its pledge to halt enrichment led to a series of resolutions including 1737, 1747, 1803, 1835, and 1929. The consequences included monetary sanctions, import and export weapons embargoes, a travel ban on Iranian officials for their support of terror and other proscribed activities, and a ban of the development of ballistic missiles. (Iran often defied these penalties.)

Everyone wants to hang their hats on JCPOA and turn a blind eye to them violating Security Council Resolution 2231 which endorsed JCPOA but limited their ballistic missile program....clearly they violated that (see Ballistic missiles shot at Diego Garcia).

If that is not enough how about all the continued funding to Hamas and Hezzbolah...How many Americans have to die from Irans actions before it matters?

Do any of you guys actually spend time in the vault?

lol now we bring up the NPT.. so would it matter at all that our BFF in this whole debacle has secret nukes and isn’t a signatory? Or do we just invoke international law when it’s convenient? Don’t bother answering that part, it’s a rhetorical question

But yes, agreed Iran has done shady stuff and lied and violated agreements. I don’t really count random security council resolutions as agreements though.. they’re pee pee schwacks delivered from an external organization. But yes they have also violated things they agreed to.

The reason we “hang our hat” on the JCPOA is that it was the most recent agreement and seemed to be somewhat working. IAEA said they were in compliance, and they only ramped up enrichment activities after we unilaterally pulled out of the deal in 2018. So yes Iran lies but we also randomly pull out of deals we made..

So where does that leave us? I guess if the argument is that Iran can never be trusted to adhere to anything, all this negotiating is a giant waste of time and we just need to sack up, invade the country, and topple the government.

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26 minutes ago, disgruntledemployee said:

You think any appointee in this admin understands Iran, let alone ever read a book on em? Maybe print a label to read on Kash whiskey or Facts of Iran on beer cans for Pete. They're all Tards.

You might be on to something here. Maybe send Ted Cruz a bottle too so he can learn the population of the country he wants other peoples kids to invade

Edited 2 hours ago2 hr by Pooter

2 hours ago, disgruntledemployee said:

You think any appointee in this admin understands Iran, let alone ever read a book on em? Maybe print a label to read on Kash whiskey or Facts of Iran on beer cans for Pete.

Upset about Kash drinking when Hunter was snorting coke off Ukrainian hookers while he helped make foreign policy and millions for the "big guy"....right...lol.

2 hours ago, disgruntledemployee said:

They're all Tards.

100!

2 hours ago, Pooter said:

lol now we bring up the NPT.. so would it matter at all that our BFF in this whole debacle has secret nukes and isn’t a signatory? Or do we just invoke international law when it’s convenient? Don’t bother answering that part, it’s a rhetorical question

But yes, agreed Iran has done shady stuff and lied and violated agreements. I don’t really count random security council resolutions as agreements though.. they’re pee pee schwacks delivered from an external organization. But yes they have also violated things they agreed to.

The reason we “hang our hat” on the JCPOA is that it was the most recent agreement and seemed to be somewhat working. IAEA said they were in compliance, and they only ramped up enrichment activities after we unilaterally pulled out of the deal in 2018. So yes Iran lies but we also randomly pull out of deals we made..

You say it was working despite reports of secret enrichment facilities...and even if that is not true...they still developed TBMs and gave hundreds of millions to terror organization that targeted Americans.

2 hours ago, Pooter said:

So where does that leave us? I guess if the argument is that Iran can never be trusted to adhere to anything, all this negotiating is a giant waste of time and we just need to sack up, invade the country, and topple the government.

I certainly don't want another forever war, I truly don't want my kid or your to go fight or endure the things I did. I also hope we don't invade and as much as I admire Razin, I think Pete's ability to provide outside the box solutions is questionable. If it were me, I would lock a bunch of senior Captains, Majors and Army/Marine E-6/7s in a room and let them come up with a plan to remove the IRGC and empower the people.