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The Iran thread

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  • I propose a toast:  To the incompetence of Iranian aviation.  Hear, hear! And  on a positive note, congrats to President Raisi: he quit smoking yesterday!

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2 hours ago, ClearedHot said:

The U.S. restricts Iranian oil sales primarily through heavy financial and shipping sanctions, targeting foreign banks, shipping companies, and refiners that buy from Iran to cripple its economy. These measures, often utilizing secondary sanctions, essentially cut Iran off from the global financial system and tanker services, though occasional temporary waivers (like the 2026 30-day waivers for stranded oil) are used for global price stabilization.

  1. Secondary Sanctions: The U.S. threatens to penalize third-party countries and companies—notably in China—that purchase Iranian oil or petroleum products.

  2. Banking Restrictions: Sanctions prevent Iran from accessing international financial systems, making it difficult to process payments for oil sales, often forcing the use of illicit networks.

  3. Shipping & Tanker Bans: The U.S. targets the national tanker company of Iran (NITC) and forces shipping insurance providers (like the International Group of P&I Clubs) to deny coverage for vessels carrying Iranian oil.

  4. Maximum Pressure Campaign: Sanctions target Iran's petrochemical and energy sectors directly, focusing on closing off all avenues for revenue.

So Iran is giving away their oil out of the kindness of their hearts.

UAL expects oil to hit $175 per barrel.

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United Airlines plans for oil hitting $175 a barrel and s...

CEO Scott Kirby pointed out jet fuel prices have more than doubled in the last three weeks, representing an additional $11 billion in annual costs if prices stay at that level.
8 minutes ago, Sua Sponte said:

UAL expects oil to hit $175 per barrel.

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United Airlines plans for oil hitting $175 a barrel and s...

CEO Scott Kirby pointed out jet fuel prices have more than doubled in the last three weeks, representing an additional $11 billion in annual costs if prices stay at that level.

Can confirm UA is pricing accordingly.

Anyone here cheerleading Trump/Pete in their anti-maga war efforts? I mean, you voted for this, right? Iran was soooooo close, right? Airmen dying is noble, right? Isreal is worth US blood, right?

15 minutes ago, disgruntledemployee said:

Can confirm UA is pricing accordingly.

Anyone here cheerleading Trump/Pete in their anti-maga war efforts? I mean, you voted for this, right? Iran was soooooo close, right? Airmen dying is noble, right? Isreal is worth US blood, right?

Some of us believe that expensive gas and unstable markets are worth it to move the pieces on the board for the inevitable war with China.

Apparently some of the Trump admin, including Trump himself, agrees.

I'll judge the effort once it's done, or at least a few months in, but if it works, then yeah, easily worth it.

Seriously though, noble deaths? Who's the child now? We all signed up to die for causes that were too big for us to understand as 18 years olds. Now you should know better.

Edited by Lord Ratner

Oil pissing contest aside, Iran has brought death, destruction, and/or destabilization to most of the world for many decades. They are, and have been, wildly dangerous for a long time. It’s a failure that nothing with teeth behind it had been done about it decades ago. So while execution is never perfect, and there are valid critiques, it’s asinine to act like the status quo (or similar version) was doing just fine.

War is ugly and unwanted, but it will continue to be necessary and unavoidable for the rest of human existence on this planet.

Edited by brabus

11 hours ago, Polar Bear said:

So Iran is giving away their oil out of the kindness of their hearts.

Huh?

140Million barrels of Iranian oil are stranded at sea. the sanctions are to bring that oil to market.

11 hours ago, Polar Bear said:

So Iran is giving away their oil out of the kindness of their hearts.

Huh?

140Million barrels of Iranian oil are stranded at sea. the sanctions are to bring that oil to market.

8 hours ago, Lord Ratner said:

Some of us believe that expensive gas and unstable markets are worth it to move the pieces on the board for the inevitable war with China.

Apparently some of the Trump admin, including Trump himself, agrees.

I'll judge the effort once it's done, or at least a few months in, but if it works, then yeah, easily worth it.

Seriously though, noble deaths? Who's the child now? We all signed up to die for causes that were too big for us to understand as 18 years olds. Now you should know better.

It is useless to engage the trolls, there is no discussion because they are single minded in their hate. Most of us have repeatedly said we don't like many things trump but he has done good things...no one is perfect, most certainly not our politicians. I saw what was in my opinion both good and bad with Biden/Obama/Bush/Clinton and was intellectually honest to admit those things. As most on this forum are in or were in the profession of arms it is stunning to find zero value in degrading and hopefully removing the single biggest purveyor of death and instability in the Middle East. The number of American lives lost or changed forever thanks to Iran should never be forgotten. If there is some short-term pain at the pump/economy to perhaps stabilize the Middle East and remove the biggest exporters of terror in the world, then I most certainly approve. Time will tell but at this point trying something different appears to be better than doing the same old thing like flying $1.6 billion in cash to Iran.

There is a much bigger picture going on here and all actions point to neutering and cornering China in the long run. Russia is depleting its military on its own, Venezuela got the message, Cuba can’t turn their lights on and the Iranian regime will collapse. It’s fascinating watching nearly the entire Middle East come down on Iran. It wasn’t long ago where Iran held the cards via their proxies. The Middle East isn’t what it once was. Those of us that have been vacationing on the Air Force’s dime for a couple decades have seen the transformation. The most modern cities in the world are now in the Middle East.

This war with Iran has been extremely uncomfortable to watch unfold. Servicemen and women have given their lives. The markets are getting crushed - although today looks promising. But, I’m ok with it understanding the bigger picture. This administration is tackling long lingering complex problems. It’s needed to be done for a very long time.

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