I'm not understanding the outrage over this. Its pretty funny. How can you spin this into a negative? Getting extra info on annual blood labs is bad? Maybe finding an actual diagnosis for a myriad of symptoms you might be experiencing that have been blown off before? I don't get it. Whats bad about making dudes more capable?
The transgender uproar is comical.

Not a giant fan of Pete but he just joins the long list of shitty SECDEFs over the years.

Edited 21 hours ago21 hr by uhhello

I thought Pete was against gender affirming care?

1 hour ago, uhhello said:

I'm not understanding the outrage over this. Its pretty funny. How can you spin this into a negative? Getting extra info on annual blood labs is bad? Maybe finding an actual diagnosis for a myriad of symptoms you might be experiencing that have been blown off before? I don't get it. Whats bad about making dudes more capable?
The transgender uproar is comical.

Not a giant fan of Pete but he just joins the long list of shitty SECDEFs over the years.

Ya think they're testing for data points? They're not doing diagnostic genomics either, which is a better path to help figure out root causes of issues. Nope. All you Gens, Cols, and Chiefs, here's your mandatory prescription, start popping man pills.

9 minutes ago, disgruntledemployee said:

Ya think they're testing for data points? They're not doing diagnostic genomics either, which is a better path to help figure out root causes of issues. Nope. All you Gens, Cols, and Chiefs, here's your mandatory prescription, start popping man pills.

Good to see we're fully to the point of 'if group A is doing something, it's terrible'

we're fucked. We need Ratners prediction sooner rather than later

2 hours ago, disgruntledemployee said:

Ya think they're testing for data points? They're not doing diagnostic genomics either, which is a better path to help figure out root causes of issues. Nope. All you Gens, Cols, and Chiefs, here's your mandatory prescription, start popping man pills.

Swing and a miss. Zero people are forced to do TRT. It’s screening/informational only, with any follow up TRT being 100% voluntary. Also FWIW, TRT is very mainstream and not some far out in left field thing. Not saying you or anyone else should want to do it, but screening for it and docs recommending TRT is common these days. So no , this whole thing is not remotely as big of a deal the media is making it out to be (which some on here are apparently buying).

11 hours ago, brabus said:

Swing and a miss. Zero people are forced to do TRT. It’s screening/informational only, with any follow up TRT being 100% voluntary. Also FWIW, TRT is very mainstream and not some far out in left field thing. Not saying you or anyone else should want to do it, but screening for it and docs recommending TRT is common these days. So no , this whole thing is not remotely as big of a deal the media is making it out to be (which some on here are apparently buying).

Yep. The vast majority of those complaining about being tested (like you said, not forced to take anything) are largely the same people who:

1) Supported forcing members to take an unproven and unnecessary vaccine or be disciplined

2) Supported needing “extremism” training because somehow the military is full of white supremacists

3) Believe that boys can suddenly become girls, and that’s it’s ok to have these people with serious mental health issues serve in the military and be told they’re just fine and normal

Oh, and one of the first things I asked my civilian PCP after I retired was for a lab test to check my testosterone levels, in addition to many other lab tests the military doesn’t seem to normally do.

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1 hour ago, HeloDude said:

Yep. The vast majority of those complaining about being tested (like you said, not forced to take anything) are largely the same people who:

1) Supported forcing members to take an unproven and unnecessary vaccine or be disciplined

2) Supported needing “extremism” training because somehow the military is full of white supremacists

3) Believe that boys can suddenly become girls, and that’s it’s ok to have these people with serious mental health issues serve in the military and be told they’re just fine and normal

Oh, and one of the first things I asked my civilian PCP after I retired was for a lab test to check my testosterone levels, in addition to many other lab tests the military doesn’t seem to normally do.

I would be very curious to see what the thresholds are. I got tested on my own dime after getting educated on symptoms related to low T. Got on a good regimen and have never felt better in my entire life. You have to essentially have non existent levels with the VA in order to even get started and have friends still active who have ran into same roadblocks with active health care. Its silly.

What’s the VA rating for lowT?