The Next President is...

[contraildash]

GMAFB?
Funny you never asked the question the other way...

• George Clooney: The actor accompanied Biden on Air Force One in June 2024 for a major campaign fundraiser in Los Angeles.
• Julia Roberts: Roberts also flew with Biden for the star-studded Los Angeles fundraiser in June 2024.
• Jimmy Kimmel: The late-night host was a guest on Air Force One with Biden and other celebrities for the fundraiser event in Los Angeles.
• Sean McGarvey: A top union official, McGarvey was one of a group of union workers invited by Biden to tour the aircraft in September 2024

Check yourself bud. I just asking a simple question, don’t make into something it isn’t. Plus your counters are not the same situation. We all know every president, from both parties, has transported their supporters, friends, ect. Thanks for stating the obvious but with through a singular lens.

For the sake of non political bullshit, the correct rephrasing could be this: How many times has a civilian’s remains, a.k.a. someone with no official government position or former military service, been transported on military or state aircraft inside CONUS. I get that we’ve recovered people from overseas, it just seems very extraordinary for it to happen here at home.


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[brabus]

1 hour ago, contraildash said:

it just seems very extraordinary for it to happen here at home.

I’ve never heard of the same type of scenario playing out, not to say it has never happened. That said, I’m not going to be upset about this or take it as a slight against military members, their sacrifice, etc. This tragedy is an extraordinary moment in our history, so it’s not a crazy notion to do things that treat/emphasize it as such.

[Negatory]

Kirk shouldn’t have been shot. It tears at the fabric of the first amendment and the right to express whatever opinions you want. Our country was founded on spirited debate - not McCarthyism and cancel culture, and especially not assassinations. Although I suppose the 1960s would point that this is not entirely unprecedented, unfortunately.

The media is doing its best to divide and cause anger - they’re crushing it. I do wonder how the media is going to spin the fact that the shooter was a white male christian who was raised in a MAGA household and likely taught to shoot by his cop dad. This all comes after multiple false reports that have literally been deleted (see WSJ). Yesterday, many on your all’s side were calling for war. Now, it appears that luckily the civil war may have been postponed due to the shooter not meeting the antifa leftist trans immigrant profile that was originally put out.

Our society is unwell, that’s for sure.

Edited 10 hours ago by Negatory

[cragspider]

2 hours ago, disgruntledemployee said:

Those aren't the same.  From now on, I expect Vance to transport the remains of the next military member that is killed in action.

Remember Vice President Vance and Charlie were close friends and Vance wouldn’t be where he is without Charlie’s support and help. This is a close friend flying in to pay respects and help out his friend and family. It just so happens that he has access to a C-32 to do this. 
 

Could have Trump sent his personal 75 for this? 100% he could have, but it would have his of kids on it and not a USAF plane to fly them. But then if Vance wanted to go he’d have to take the C-32 so that answers that. 

[brabus]

The left has been pushing hate and rage for years, inciting violence constantly. This has culminated in a leftist (or at least someone who bought the left’s rhetoric to an extent) assassinating someone. Conservatives aren’t starting a war, the left started this war many decades ago, and they have really crossed the line now. We may be at a significant FAFO moment in our history - remains to be seen what that means in the coming weeks/months/years.

Necessary disclaimer: the term “left” used above does not describe those that simply have liberal views on economics, healthcare, social services (e.g. welfare), etc. It describes those who hold views diametrically opposed to American/Christian values and seek to destroy those ideas and institutions. Examples are movements like Antifa and BLM, people who openly cheer, or at least tacitly support, murder of those they disagree with, etc.

[tac airlifter]

18 minutes ago, Negatory said:

 I do wonder how the media is going to spin the fact that the shooter was a white male christian….

Tell me why you assert the shooter was a Christian. 

[arg]

18 minutes ago, tac airlifter said:

Tell me why you assert the shooter was a Christian. 

And that his parents are MAGA

[brabus]

He was raised Mormon and assumedly in a conservative household (assumption based on religion + father’s LEO career). Regardless it’s irrelevant, because he was radicalized at some point - none of the 18 years in his parents household mattered the second he was on his own and consumed radical information that drastically altered his perceptions and understanding of societal norms.
 

This is a good lesson in how important it is to teach kids at home to be rigorous in critical thought, seek verifiable evidence from multiple sources before deciding something is accurate/true, and sow strong moral fibers in them so that they cannot be easily led astray once outside the parents’ purview/guidance. To that extent, I think you can trace a lot of problems in our society today to failed parenting, completely independent of the household’s political affiliation. Lacking parenting is across the entire political spectrum.

I feel horrible for this POS’s parents. I’m sure they are tormented by thoughts of where they went wrong or what they should have done/emphasized that they didn’t.

[SHFP]

Totally agree with brabus. 

[ClearedHot]

3 hours ago, contraildash said:

Check yourself bud. 

Sure thing tough guy.

3 hours ago, contraildash said:

Plus your counters are not the same situation. We all know every president, from both parties, has transported their supporters, friends, ect. Thanks for stating the obvious but with through a singular lens.

For the sake of non political bullshit, the correct rephrasing could be this: How many times has a civilian’s remains, a.k.a. someone with no official government position or former military service, been transported on military or state aircraft inside CONUS. I get that we’ve recovered people from overseas, it just seems very extraordinary for it to happen here at home.

Probably because we have not had as many political assassinations in recent years.  Also, Vance and Kirk were good friends.  Finally, for close to half the nation, this was a significant emotional event. 

1 hour ago, Negatory said:

Kirk shouldn’t have been shot. It tears at the fabric of the first amendment and the right to express whatever opinions you want. Our country was founded on spirited debate - not McCarthyism and cancel culture, and especially not assassinations. Although I suppose the 1960s would point that this is not entirely unprecedented, unfortunately.

They tried to kill Trump twice, why should we be surprised.  And when they did try to kill Trump, the left questioned if he was even shot instead of trying to calm things down.

1 hour ago, Negatory said:

 

The media is doing its best to divide and cause anger - they’re crushing it. I do wonder how the media is going to spin the fact that the shooter was a white male christian who was raised in a MAGA household and likely taught to shoot by his cop dad. This all comes after multiple false reports that have literally been deleted (see WSJ). Yesterday, many on your all’s side were calling for war. Now, it appears that luckily the civil war may have been postponed due to the shooter not meeting the antifa leftist trans immigrant profile that was originally put out.

It is not just the media

 

 

 

[Negatory]

26 minutes ago, ClearedHot said:

It is not just the media

If you’re gonna quote historical examples of calls to violence let’s not be disingenuous by slanting it. You know very well these counter examples exist for conservatives calling for violence against the other side or glorifying it exactly the same way. Jan 6 is the easy button here, and you know it, but there are dozens of other examples. Not saying the dems are better, but let’s stop pretending one side is moral.

1 hour ago, arg said:

And that his parents are MAGA

https://www.thedailybeast.com/charlie-kirk-suspects-grandma-says-family-is-all-maga/

https://m.economictimes.com/news/international/us/were-republicans-for-trump-says-grandmother-of-charlie-kirks-alleged-killer-deepening-the-mystery-around-tyler-robinsons-motive-and-the-groypers-link/amp_articleshow/

1 hour ago, tac airlifter said:

Tell me why you assert the shooter was a Christian. 

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mormonism

He literally turned himself in to a youth pastor.

[Lord Ratner]

1 hour ago, Negatory said:

Kirk shouldn’t have been shot. It tears at the fabric of the first amendment and the right to express whatever opinions you want. Our country was founded on spirited debate - not McCarthyism and cancel culture, and especially not assassinations. Although I suppose the 1960s would point that this is not entirely unprecedented, unfortunately.

The media is doing its best to divide and cause anger - they’re crushing it. I do wonder how the media is going to spin the fact that the shooter was a white male christian who was raised in a MAGA household and likely taught to shoot by his cop dad. This all comes after multiple false reports that have literally been deleted (see WSJ). Yesterday, many on your all’s side were calling for war. Now, it appears that luckily the civil war may have been postponed due to the shooter not meeting the antifa leftist trans immigrant profile that was originally put out.

Our society is unwell, that’s for sure.

So you can't be a progressive if you have conservative parents?

 

The bullets didn't have MAGA forever written on them. Your forecasting history hasn't been great.

[tac airlifter]

59 minutes ago, Negatory said:

He literally turned himself in to a youth pastor.

Your link on Mormonism is irrelevant to knowledge of the shooters personal religious beliefs.  You’re hardening a narrative around assumptions.  This is not a convincing argument and you have zero evidence for your assertion.

[GKinnear]

Kirk shouldn’t have been shot. It tears at the fabric of the first amendment and the right to express whatever opinions you want. Our country was founded on spirited debate - not McCarthyism and cancel culture, and especially not assassinations. Although I suppose the 1960s would point that this is not entirely unprecedented, unfortunately.
The media is doing its best to divide and cause anger - they’re crushing it. I do wonder how the media is going to spin the fact that the shooter was a white male christian who was raised in a MAGA household and likely taught to shoot by his cop dad. This all comes after multiple false reports that have literally been deleted (see WSJ). Yesterday, many on your all’s side were calling for war. Now, it appears that luckily the civil war may have been postponed due to the shooter not meeting the antifa leftist trans immigrant profile that was originally put out.

Our society is unwell, that’s for sure.

Should have just said the last part "our society is unwell"

Looks like the assassin had a male-to-female trans partner...you know, like all Christian dudes.

https://nypost.com/2025/09/13/us-news/charlie-kirk-shooter-tyler-robinson-lived-with-transgender-partner/

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[arg]

1 hour ago, Negatory said:

If you’re gonna quote historical examples of calls to violence let’s not be disingenuous by slanting it. You know very well these counter examples exist for conservatives calling for violence against the other side or glorifying it exactly the same way. Jan 6 is the easy button here, and you know it, but there are dozens of other examples. Not saying the dems are better, but let’s stop pretending one side is moral.

https://www.thedailybeast.com/charlie-kirk-suspects-grandma-says-family-is-all-maga/

https://m.economictimes.com/news/international/us/were-republicans-for-trump-says-grandmother-of-charlie-kirks-alleged-killer-deepening-the-mystery-around-tyler-robinsons-motive-and-the-groypers-link/amp_articleshow/

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mormonism

He literally turned himself in to a youth pastor.

Well, if grandma said it then done deal.

Jeeze, the reporting on this thing has been a merry-go-round of info.

Pic for non-boomers

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[tac airlifter]

2 hours ago, GKinnear said:

Looks like the assassin had a male-to-female trans partner...you know, like all Christian dudes.

Edited 4 hours ago by tac airlifter

[Biff_T]

I don't care if the guy was trans, straight or gay.  He fucked up bad and people celebrated it.  Those people are the ones I'm concerned about.  

[ClearedHot]

4 hours ago, Negatory said:

If you’re gonna quote historical examples of calls to violence let’s not be disingenuous by slanting it. You know very well these counter examples exist for conservatives calling for violence against the other side or glorifying it exactly the same way. Jan 6 is the easy button here, and you know it, but there are dozens of other examples. Not saying the dems are better, but let’s stop pretending one side is moral.

You are entirely missing the point.  yes, both sides have fruitcakes but the dem fruitcake are YOUR leaders.  The videos I attached have one loon (Maxine Water that I would equate to Meregie Taylor Green, but the others are the leaders of the Democratic Party....the Speaker of the House and the Senate Minority Leader!

Break Break 

There has a been a wave of backlash and firings, some posted here.  A friend knows they guy compiling the big database that is tracking 20,000 people who made comments and are being targeted to lose their job.  He said nearly half are teachers...the right has been saying for years, the fight has been in the schools and universities.  They fired the EA to the Vice Chancellor at my son's college after some incredibly hateful words pots.  Something to think about.

[ViperMan]

8 hours ago, Negatory said:

I do wonder how the media is going to spin the fact that the shooter was a white male christian who was raised in a MAGA household and likely taught to shoot by his cop dad. This all comes after multiple false reports that have literally been deleted (see WSJ). Yesterday, many on your all’s side were calling for war. Now, it appears that luckily the civil war may have been postponed due to the shooter not meeting the antifa leftist trans immigrant profile that was originally put out.

I'm not sure what reporting you're looking at, but the shooter apparently was credibly engaged in a homosexual relationship with a same-sex individual who was "transitioning." Seems to me that latent homosexuality and the fact that he wasn't feeling accepted by a social movement that is growing in popularity - or rather rejected by a louder, and increasingly verbal group of right-wing people - is a likely motivating factor for this person taking his feelings and redirecting them outward in an act of extreme violence.

Maybe they weren't in a relationship and the shooter was merely acting out of a perception that his friend needed his honor defended. It doesn't really matter. The fact is that people can have whatever upbringing you want, and can turn out poorly - the opposite is true as well. They can be raised by right-wing priests and turn out blue-haired nymphomaniacs. Or they can be raised by left-wing granola bars, and wind up Jehovah's witnesses. You and everyone else understands this.

The sad part for all of us is that for a long time - a very long time - this country was getting along and moving in a great direction. Black culture was seemingly becoming less violent. Gays were winning (and have won) increased acceptance throughout all but the most backwater parts of our society. A generation of kids grew up playing together and not really caring about skin color or cultural differences, and so on and so on. Then, for whatever reason, that all seemed to change. I'm not sure why, but things were different. Not "I perceived that things were different," but actually different.

Now, we are becoming less "liberal" and far less tolerant. I lament we are becoming less liberal (in the true sense of the word), but I think that becoming far less tolerant is probably good and necessary. I think it is largely due to forces on the Left that demanded ridiculous, insane, and frankly, deranged capitulations. See "men have periods / can become pregnant," "men should be allowed to compete in women's sports," "black people are hunted by cops," "COVID didn't leak from a lab," etc. Those are my priors and I think evidence supports all of them in varying degree.

6 hours ago, Negatory said:

If you’re gonna quote historical examples of calls to violence let’s not be disingenuous by slanting it. You know very well these counter examples exist for conservatives calling for violence against the other side or glorifying it exactly the same way. Jan 6 is the easy button here, and you know it, but there are dozens of other examples. Not saying the dems are better, but let’s stop pretending one side is moral.

Jan 6th isn't happening dude. Sorry, it just isn't. It's not the Pearl Harbor or September 11th you wish it was. 25 years from now we're not going to be holding "Remember" ceremonies throughout our society. A few token dems might, but they'll be the only ones. In 69 years, we're not going to mark the "passing of the last survivor of the Jan 6th attack on the Capitol," except for maybe some future talking-head on MSNBC.

What it was in objective reality was a massive gathering of right-wing individuals (that got wildly out of hand), but which was organized in RESPONSE to actual, government-sanctioned anarchy that was ushered in and actively encouraged by prominent left-wing leadership throughout multiple layers of our government.

This includes presidential and vice-presidential candidates. It includes governors. It includes mayors. It includes senators. It includes congressmen and women. With our own eyes, we all saw the chaos begin to unfold starting in the Summer of 2020, and continue through to the election and inauguration of Joe Biden. It was the unstated TACTIC of the Democratic party, implemented in order to undermine Donald Trump. I'm not justifying Jan 6th, but let's also not pretend that it arose randomly and thus points at some underlying reality that the US is a KKK-style right-wing hellscape. That's all in your head dude. It happened because of COVID lock-downs and people getting bored. The dems saw an opportunity to re-focus this boredom into channels that applied pressure on fault lines within their many of their most favored political constituencies. They saw a political opportunity and capitalized on it. A cynical play for sure.

You can see them trying the same playbook again, but it's not having quite the same success this time around. Probably because we're not all locked-down with nothing better to do...