icohftb Posted March 6 Posted March 6 8 hours ago, Smokin said: They have and do. Trump fired every single Biden appointed US Attorney. And before anyone gets upset and screams how terrible it is for King Trump to do that, Biden did the same thing four years ago. And Trump fired Obama's on his first term. And Obama did the same thing. Trump's first term showed him, and anyone that was paying attention, that the executive branch needs to clean house when a new President takes office as career bureaucrats and people that disagree with his agenda will actively sabotage the agenda from within. There's a reason the Constitution was amended to make the Vice President part of the Presidential ticket rather than the runner up. Turns out that people put their own agenda ahead of that of the President. Mass replacements typically haven't gotten very far down the food chain, but the principle is there and has been executed by both parties. It sucks for the people that get fired. I totally get that and feel bad for them. But at the same time, the government was not designed to be an employment service and has grown so much that it is unrecognizable from our Federal government 70 years ago. It needs to be cut. Unfortunately, some good guys that are genuinely doing good work for America will get caught in the cross fire. But the alternative is realistically to do nothing. Wikipedia claims that the US has a higher percentage of the work force in the public sector than four Western European countries. That's pretty crazy. You said previously the entire executive branch. You mean appointees?
17D_guy Posted March 6 Posted March 6 13 hours ago, HeloDude said: Was VA care not adequate in 2019? PACT act passed since then which opened requirements for additional services/claims.
HeloDude Posted March 6 Posted March 6 1 hour ago, 17D_guy said: PACT act passed since then which opened requirements for additional services/claims. So in your opinion, it takes 80K more VA employees just to take care of the additional work to enforce the PACT act? Can you please explain your math to me?
Sua Sponte Posted March 6 Posted March 6 26 minutes ago, HeloDude said: So in your opinion, it takes 80K more VA employees just to take care of the additional work to enforce the PACT act? Can you please explain your math to me? https://news.va.gov/press-room/in-two-years-of-the-pact-act-va-has-delivered-benefits-and-health-care-to-millions-of-toxic-exposed-veterans-and-their-survivor/
disgruntledemployee Posted March 6 Author Posted March 6 16 hours ago, BFM this said: Given my limited experience with the VA, 50% of the VA workforce could be Thanos-snapped off the books and I would imagine the impact to care or services would not be measurably different. My dad gets 100% of his health care from the VA. It has gotten better than in years past. He needed to do daily visits for a treatment and VA farmed it out to a local hospital, complete with transportation. I imagine a lot of those overlapping VA contracts doge is cutting are open agreements like this (local treatment) because hauling down 90 minutes to the big VA hospital isn't efficient. Also, the VA chief's emailed vid regarding cuts is some good spin. 1 hour ago, HeloDude said: So in your opinion, it takes 80K more VA employees just to take care of the additional work to enforce the PACT act? Can you please explain your math to me? I got a phone call from the VA about my status in the program. Internet says that 4.7M vets are in the program. Also, in the past, the VA was heavily lambasted for poor care, resources, etc. Just spitballing here that those calls and efforts take people to do the work. Maybe you have an a specific item the VA should stop doing?
HeloDude Posted March 6 Posted March 6 1 hour ago, Sua Sponte said: https://news.va.gov/press-room/in-two-years-of-the-pact-act-va-has-delivered-benefits-and-health-care-to-millions-of-toxic-exposed-veterans-and-their-survivor/ So it took 80K employees to do this what you’re saying…can you please provide data to show this? And likewise, are you saying that if the VA is returning to 2019 that the PACT Act will not be enforced?
Sua Sponte Posted March 6 Posted March 6 (edited) 39 minutes ago, HeloDude said: So it took 80K employees to do this what you’re saying…can you please provide data to show this? And likewise, are you saying that if the VA is returning to 2019 that the PACT Act will not be enforced? Why would I provide the data? I literally sent you a link to the VA discussing the increase in medical care and claims associated with the PACT Act. Were you a veteran in 2019 using the VA? I was and the claims and healthcare (VBA and VHA) have ran much smoother than prior to 2020. Do you always argue in bad faith? I’m not the first to notice that trend of yours on this forum. Edited March 6 by Sua Sponte
HeloDude Posted March 6 Posted March 6 Just now, Sua Sponte said: Why would I provide the data? I literally sent you a link to the VA discussing the increase in medical care and claims associated with the PACT Act. Were you a veteran in 2019 using the VA? I was and the claims and healthcare (VBA and VHA) have ran much smoother than prior to 2020. Do you always argue in bad faith? I’m not the first to notice that trend of yours on this forum. I’ve been on here since the days when most of us left studentpilot.net lol, so if you want to start your own forum, then by all means, go ahead. On this issue, you’re just arguing for more government spending, shocking since you’re government employee. You made a claim, and I asked for specifics, and instead you posted a link…from the same government agency saying how many great things they’re doing. Call me skeptical, but I remember when government agencies were bragging about how well we were doing in Afghanistan and how well the Afghan military was doing. So yeah, I’m very skeptical of these kinds of government reports patting themselves on the back. Side notea—the few times I would check out the AmnNCO page on FB, I remember seeing quite a few enlisted members talking about how much better and smarter they they they were than the officers…so I’m not shocked by your comments, especially with the one saying how you thought most helo pilots were stupid lol. Fortunately the legacy airline I fly for thought a little differently. 2
HeloDude Posted March 6 Posted March 6 1 hour ago, disgruntledemployee said: My dad gets 100% of his health care from the VA. It has gotten better than in years past. He needed to do daily visits for a treatment and VA farmed it out to a local hospital, complete with transportation. I imagine a lot of those overlapping VA contracts doge is cutting are open agreements like this (local treatment) because hauling down 90 minutes to the big VA hospital isn't efficient. Also, the VA chief's emailed vid regarding cuts is some good spin. I got a phone call from the VA about my status in the program. Internet says that 4.7M vets are in the program. Also, in the past, the VA was heavily lambasted for poor care, resources, etc. Just spitballing here that those calls and efforts take people to do the work. Maybe you have an a specific item the VA should stop doing? I’m all for finding efficiencies…more spending/employees doesn’t necessarily equate to better service. We’re running a $2 TRILLION deficit in what the Dems recently called a “good economy”…what is your plan to fix it? Of course pro-big government types don’t want to see any reductions…why would they? 1
17D_guy Posted March 7 Posted March 7 7 hours ago, HeloDude said: So in your opinion, it takes 80K more VA employees just to take care of the additional work to enforce the PACT act? Can you please explain your math to me? I'm telling you what was reported as the reason.
17D_guy Posted March 7 Posted March 7 4 hours ago, HeloDude said: I’ve been on here since the days when most of us left studentpilot.net lol, so if you want to start your own forum, then by all means, go ahead. On this issue, you’re just arguing for more government spending, shocking since you’re government employee. You made a claim, and I asked for specifics, and instead you posted a link…from the same government agency saying how many great things they’re doing. Call me skeptical, but I remember when government agencies were bragging about how well we were doing in Afghanistan and how well the Afghan military was doing. So yeah, I’m very skeptical of these kinds of government reports patting themselves on the back. Side notea—the few times I would check out the AmnNCO page on FB, I remember seeing quite a few enlisted members talking about how much better and smarter they they they were than the officers…so I’m not shocked by your comments, especially with the one saying how you thought most helo pilots were stupid lol. Fortunately the legacy airline I fly for thought a little differently. Boomer is a cunt, go figure. 😆🤣 1
Sua Sponte Posted March 7 Posted March 7 5 hours ago, HeloDude said: I’ve been on here since the days when most of us left studentpilot.net lol, so if you want to start your own forum, then by all means, go ahead. On this issue, you’re just arguing for more government spending, shocking since you’re government employee. You made a claim, and I asked for specifics, and instead you posted a link…from the same government agency saying how many great things they’re doing. Call me skeptical, but I remember when government agencies were bragging about how well we were doing in Afghanistan and how well the Afghan military was doing. So yeah, I’m very skeptical of these kinds of government reports patting themselves on the back. Side notea—the few times I would check out the AmnNCO page on FB, I remember seeing quite a few enlisted members talking about how much better and smarter they they they were than the officers…so I’m not shocked by your comments, especially with the one saying how you thought most helo pilots were stupid lol. Fortunately the legacy airline I fly for thought a little differently. Cool man, I was married to a pilot when I was enlisted and flew when I registered here eons ago. I didn't make a claim, I responded to your response to someone else with a link from the agency about data concerning the PACT Act. You then responded with a ridiculous follow-on question asking data you know no one but the VA would have. No one cares about your skeptical conjecture. Feel free to post your CV for grading, though. I didn't know Spirit counted as a legacy...
disgruntledemployee Posted March 7 Author Posted March 7 5 hours ago, HeloDude said: I’m all for finding efficiencies…more spending/employees doesn’t necessarily equate to better service. We’re running a $2 TRILLION deficit in what the Dems recently called a “good economy”…what is your plan to fix it? Of course pro-big government types don’t want to see any reductions…why would they? Firing VA workers that were hired to right the ship doesn't sound hunky dory either. I easily admit that the VA system still need improvements, but it takes people to do those changes. Side bar anecdote, the Mrs often talks to a certain govt agency for her job. That agency has multiple data systems, offices that don't answer the phone, relies upon the fax system, and on. You think doge can just waltz in, wave their chainsaw, and merge those data systems, fire someone so that there's less people answering the phone, and magically transform their data systems off the fax system? I'm told stuff like that takes people, like IT pros, and probably even legislation (fax system). My plan to fix the deficit? Lets see how the Trump plan plays out. I hear he's going to make every other country pay for our budget, paraphrasing, after he goes slash and burn to the govt worker, and then goes more deficit for tax cuts. That's the plan you want because that's what you voted for, assuming of course, based on your avatar and words for the last 200 posts, that you voted for the guy. And there you go again, the thinly veiled tag of calling me, or anyone, a big government type because I go counter to the Trump plan of cutting VA staff, which probably wasn't even thought out. They just came up with a number. 1
HeloDude Posted March 7 Posted March 7 1 hour ago, Sua Sponte said: Cool man, I was married to a pilot when I was enlisted and flew when I registered here eons ago. I didn't make a claim, I responded to your response to someone else with a link from the agency about data concerning the PACT Act. You then responded with a ridiculous follow-on question asking data you know no one but the VA would have. No one cares about your skeptical conjecture. Feel free to post your CV for grading, though. I didn't know Spirit counted as a legacy... Spirit haha. Well, enjoy your government job.
HeloDude Posted March 7 Posted March 7 6 minutes ago, disgruntledemployee said: Firing VA workers that were hired to right the ship doesn't sound hunky dory either. I easily admit that the VA system still need improvements, but it takes people to do those changes. Side bar anecdote, the Mrs often talks to a certain govt agency for her job. That agency has multiple data systems, offices that don't answer the phone, relies upon the fax system, and on. You think doge can just waltz in, wave their chainsaw, and merge those data systems, fire someone so that there's less people answering the phone, and magically transform their data systems off the fax system? I'm told stuff like that takes people, like IT pros, and probably even legislation (fax system). My plan to fix the deficit? Lets see how the Trump plan plays out. I hear he's going to make every other country pay for our budget, paraphrasing, after he goes slash and burn to the govt worker, and then goes more deficit for tax cuts. That's the plan you want because that's what you voted for, assuming of course, based on your avatar and words for the last 200 posts, that you voted for the guy. And there you go again, the thinly veiled tag of calling me, or anyone, a big government type because I go counter to the Trump plan of cutting VA staff, which probably wasn't even thought out. They just came up with a number. Why should government civilian employees have some special luxury of not being let go when cuts need to be made? 1
Boomer6 Posted March 7 Posted March 7 2 hours ago, Sua Sponte said: Cool man, I was married to a pilot when I was enlisted and flew when I registered here eons ago. 7 hours ago, HeloDude said: so I’m not shocked by your comments, especially with the one saying how you thought most helo pilots were stupid lol. How many helo dudes did she cheat on you with? Where's Biff.. 2
disgruntledemployee Posted March 7 Author Posted March 7 4 hours ago, HeloDude said: Why should government civilian employees have some special luxury of not being let go when cuts need to be made? Why do cuts need to be made to VA care to fund a Trump tax cut? Back atcha. 1
busdriver Posted March 7 Posted March 7 5 hours ago, disgruntledemployee said: Why do cuts need to be made to VA care to fund a Trump tax cut? Back atcha. Just so everyone is on the same page. This is a continuation of a previous cut, right? So spending cuts are required to prevent a tax increase. While increasing the deficit and saying you're decreasing it. Anyways Continue flinging poop at each other boys! 1
HeloDude Posted March 7 Posted March 7 Well, sadly there are big government types on here who believe more government is better…even after having been in the military and seeing how horrible and inefficient government can be. But oh well. I’m supporting Trump in wanting to reduce the overall size and scope of government and allow people to keep more of their money (yes, even those evil billionaires). Since we have a foundational difference in opinions and values, it’s silly to go back and forth with the progressives on here, at least on this issue. Maybe you guys will get what you want in 2 or 4 years. 1
busdriver Posted March 8 Posted March 8 7 hours ago, HeloDude said: Well, sadly there are big government types on here who believe more government is better… Yeah, and to be fair to them, the GOP hasn't been the party of small government in a long time. They're like the party of different big government. I mean we might get some wins amongst the poop sandwich that is the trump administration, but it ain't gonna be roses the whole way down. 1
disgruntledemployee Posted March 8 Author Posted March 8 7 hours ago, HeloDude said: Well, sadly there are big government types on here who believe more government is better…even after having been in the military and seeing how horrible and inefficient government can be. But oh well. I’m supporting Trump in wanting to reduce the overall size and scope of government and allow people to keep more of their money (yes, even those evil billionaires). Since we have a foundational difference in opinions and values, it’s silly to go back and forth with the progressives on here, at least on this issue. Maybe you guys will get what you want in 2 or 4 years. Well, sadly there are Trump can do no wrong types on here who believe he is honorable and will do what is in the best interests of the nation...even after seeing him do wrong things. But oh well. I'm not supporting the dishonorable Trump in his burn it to the ground effort to change government and continue to allow billionaires to skirt taxes because they hire awesome lawyers and create clever ways to get around taxes and allow Musk to keep more of your money via his tax breaks for EVs (I had to continue the para to keep it in theme with your post. How am I doing?) Since we have a foundational difference of opinions and values (like honor), it's silly for this non liberal, non progressive, independent to go back and forth with the thick-skulled MAGAs on here, on this and other issues. Maybe you guys will get what you want. Maybe you'll regret it. Maybe you won't care. PS (you like these), in 2 years? Ha! Dems ain't got shit in one bag, let alone a bag. It will have to come from within the R party. But whenever one tries to show a little spine, they are truly revealed as weak ass lemmings. 1 1
arg Posted March 8 Posted March 8 1 hour ago, disgruntledemployee said: ..... billionaires to skirt taxes because they hire awesome lawyers and create clever ways to get around taxes and allow Musk to keep more of your money via his tax breaks for EVs...... Not on that level but I do the same thing so I can keep more of my money. I claim everything I possibly can. New tractor, yep, barn repair, yep, tools, yep, and more, all legal. I guess I'm skirting taxes, using loopholes. I guess since your'e honorable, you don't use any so called loopholes? Don't claim anything? Pay as much as you can? 1 2
BashiChuni Posted March 8 Posted March 8 2 hours ago, disgruntledemployee said: allow Musk to keep more of your money the irony is musk is trying to let you keep more of YOUR money...the amount of government waste and fraud they are uncovering is wild...why anyone thinks taxes should be higher after the BULLSHIT spending musk is highlighting is beyond retarded but keep telling yourself that you're not the thick-skulled one around here... 2 1
disgruntledemployee Posted March 8 Author Posted March 8 1 hour ago, arg said: Not on that level but I do the same thing so I can keep more of my money. I claim everything I possibly can. New tractor, yep, barn repair, yep, tools, yep, and more, all legal. I guess I'm skirting taxes, using loopholes. I guess since your'e honorable, you don't use any so called loopholes? Don't claim anything? Pay as much as you can? You mean lobby for EV tax credits so people buy my cars and end up becoming the richest man? You mean moving an HQ out of the US to create a tax haven? Fine, I'd like to declare my new HQ, for the purposes of taxes, in Limnadia. In Limnadia, the tax rate is 0% for all people that have planned military exercises regarding Limnadia. 1
disgruntledemployee Posted March 8 Author Posted March 8 49 minutes ago, BashiChuni said: the irony is musk is trying to let you keep more of YOUR money...the amount of government waste and fraud they are uncovering is wild...why anyone thinks taxes should be higher after the BULLSHIT spending musk is highlighting is beyond retarded but keep telling yourself that you're not the thick-skulled one around here... "Trump loves me and will make sure I will pay less tax" "Trump loves me and will make sure I will pay less tax" "Trump loves me and will make sure I will pay less tax" "Trump loves me and will make sure I will pay less tax" Keep going, you're becoming convincing. 1
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