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[Guardian]

You may be underestimating how low this whole thing is likely to go. Let’s assume that Trump expends all of his legal options and the results overwhelmingly fail to support his claims of fraud (This seems likely based on legal results thus far...you may disagree, but bear with me). What happens then? Do you think Trump is going to tell his supporters “well guys, the American legal system has had its say and we must have faith in that system.”? Hell no he’s not. He’ll leave the White House kicking and screaming and spend the next four years convincing a large percentage of Americans that every aspect of our government, including the legal system is beholden to the liberal deep state and they will come to the conclusion that the only answer is to burn the whole thing down. Do you think that’s a good path for our country? Because that is absolutely the path we’re on as long as this guy continues to be enabled by the party he co-opted. 

Nope. I don’t think that. I think you took a lot of liberties with hypotheticals that your emotions tell you is true.

I think JP hit it on the head. Republicans are way more likely to accept the results and not riot or cause issues. That isn’t the case on the left because the liberal media has lied to the entire left and steered them wrong.

I don’t think your made up hypothetical would be a good path for the country. Good thing it’s just your assumption not really based on anything but how the left acted when they lost so that must mean the right who is evil will react even worse. Sorry bro..... your hypothetical fantasy story doesn’t hold water. Or beer.

[Guardian]

How about every election up until now as evidence that the system isn’t broken. The burden of proof is on those claiming it is. You can say it is all you want. I have faith it is not, and hopefully that will be evidenced in a few weeks when this is all done with one of the two worst presidential candidates in the history of the US as the President Elect.


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I agree with your first point. Especially because potentially refers to the electoral college as a good system.

However to say because a bunch of other things went right isn’t a good argument for it could never go wrong. Especially in this more technologically advanced ever changing voting process.

Are you saying Biden is one of the top two worst candidates in history? Just trying to understand your last statement. Because if you’re referring to trump then I would understand it to mean you think he will be president elect and I don’t believe that is your position.

[slackline]

Why does everyone here keep saying "burden of proof is on us"? We know it is. We keep giving you evidence. Sworn affidavits. Thousands of them. Votes in MI being switched, and there is only evidence of that happening to benefit Biden. This election is fishy and millions agree with me. 

No offense, but some of those millions of people agreeing with you also happen to embrace all sorts of other incredibly wild conspiracies. If shady lawyers like that David Kallman guy, or OAN videos and Fox News are your best evidence, forgive the rest of us for not jumping up to believe him.

The reason everyone keeps saying it is because you literally just said no one’s given you any evidence as to why the other 72M people should believe the system isn’t broken.


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[slackline]

I agree with your first point. Especially because potentially refers to the electoral college as a good system.

However to say because a bunch of other things went right isn’t a good argument for it could never go wrong. Especially in this more technologically advanced ever changing voting process.

Are you saying Biden is one of the top two worst candidates in history? Just trying to understand your last statement. Because if you’re referring to trump then I would understand it to mean you think he will be president elect and I don’t believe that is your position.

Saying it’s worked 45 times in the past isn’t the same as saying it cannot go wrong now. I didn’t say it could never go wrong. Simply stated that the burden of evidence to prove it was broken is on those claiming it is. Of course it could go wrong. Possible and probable are two different animals however.

Absolutely saying they both suck as potential presidents. Well, we have 4 years of proof that one of them cannot hack it without being one of the most offensive people ever. I guess if Biden wins when the dust settles we’ll see if he’s better or worse. I’m willing to take my chances on him though...


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[Guardian]

Saying it’s worked 45 times in the past isn’t the same as saying it cannot go wrong now. I didn’t say it could never go wrong. Simply stated that the burden of evidence to prove it was broken is on those claiming it is. Of course it could go wrong. Possible and probable are two different animals however.

Absolutely saying they both suck as potential presidents. Well, we have 4 years of proof that one of them cannot hack it without being one of the most offensive people ever. I guess if Biden wins when the dust settles we’ll see if he’s better or worse. I’m willing to take my chances on him though...


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1st point = Agreed. Job of the court system.

2nd point. I agree on the Biden front. See? Meeting you half way.

[Seadogs]

28 minutes ago, slackline said:

 

No offense, but some of those millions of people agreeing with you also happen to embrace all sorts of other incredibly wild conspiracies. If shady lawyers like that David Kallman guy, or OAN videos and Fox News are your best evidence, forgive the rest of us for not jumping up to believe him.

The reason everyone keeps saying it is because you literally just said no one’s given you any evidence as to why the other 72M people should believe the system isn’t broken.


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And there lies one of the biggest issues. You think CNN, MSNBC, CNBC are all trustworthy. They aren't. Neither is Fox. What's your evidence to dismiss OAN or Newsmax? They are right wing? 

 

Again there is evidence out there. You are choosing to discredit it. Legit video from Project Veritas? "Project Veritas lies" despite the fact that the owner have that has won every lawsuit he has filed. 

[Guardian]

No offense, but some of those millions of people agreeing with you also happen to embrace all sorts of other incredibly wild conspiracies. If shady lawyers like that David Kallman guy, or OAN videos and Fox News are your best evidence, forgive the rest of us for not jumping up to believe him.

The reason everyone keeps saying it is because you literally just said no one’s given you any evidence as to why the other 72M people should believe the system isn’t broken.


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Wouldn’t you think that it is a small small percentage?

I hope you aren’t making similar statements the The View or other left leaning journalists are making. They are on the right so they must all be = x. In a lot of cases the x = racism according to them. It’s really sick. Especially considering it’s coming from the media.

[slackline]

And there lies one of the biggest issues. You think CNN, MSNBC, CNBC are all trustworthy. They aren't. Neither is Fox. What's your evidence to dismiss OAN or Newsmax? They are right wing? 
 
Again there is evidence out there. You are choosing to discredit it. Legit video from Project Veritas? "Project Veritas lies" despite the fact that the owner have that has won every lawsuit he has filed. 

Go back and read my post from earlier. I put a link to newguard that does a fairly good job of ID’ing news sites biases. They put a big fat warning on OAN because it is incredibly one-sided. I give CNN, etc the smallest amount more of credibilty than I do Fox. I read them all though because even a blind squirrel finds a nut sometimes.

Guardian, don’t put words in my mouth. The View, if it’s the show I’m thinking of is an entertainment show with narcissistic women that think they know everything. I’ve no clue where you’re getting that from. A year ago, I would have said it’s a very small percentage, but the ideas people have been espousing lately make me doubt that percentage is that small. Especially if you look at the Trump rally ilk, not the most inspiring group of people out there.


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[Seadogs]

I'm done responding to most of you. Brain washed, a product of communist propaganda. "Even if I take him to the Soviet Union and show him the concentration camp with his own eyes, he will refuse to believe it."  

[pawnman]

4 minutes ago, Seadogs said:

I'm done responding to most of you. Brain washed, a product of communist propaganda. "Even if I take him to the Soviet Union and show him the concentration camp with his own eyes, he will refuse to believe it."  

Bye, Felicia.

[slackline]

I'm done responding to most of you. Brain washed, a product of communist propaganda. "Even if I take him to the Soviet Union and show him the concentration camp with his own eyes, he will refuse to believe it."  

My even-keeled response was what sent you over the edge? Ok.


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[Prozac]

1 hour ago, Guardian said:

Nope. I don’t think that. I think you took a lot of liberties with hypotheticals that your emotions tell you is true.

I think JP hit it on the head. Republicans are way more likely to accept the results and not riot or cause issues. That isn’t the case on the left because the liberal media has lied to the entire left and steered them wrong.

I don’t think your made up hypothetical would be a good path for the country. Good thing it’s just your assumption not really based on anything but how the left acted when they lost so that must mean the right who is evil will react even worse. Sorry bro..... your hypothetical fantasy story doesn’t hold water. Or beer.

I truly hope you’re right and that my assumptions are wrong here. I have my doubts though. If Trump goes gracefully and isn’t bitching about the deep state in six months, beer’s on me. 

[Guardian]

Go back and read my post from earlier. I put a link to newguard that does a fairly good job of ID’ing news sites biases. They put a big fat warning on OAN because it is incredibly one-sided. I give CNN, etc the smallest amount more of credibilty than I do Fox. I read them all though because even a blind squirrel finds a nut sometimes.

Guardian, don’t put words in my mouth. The View, if it’s the show I’m thinking of is an entertainment show with narcissistic women that think they know everything. I’ve no clue where you’re getting that from. A year ago, I would have said it’s a very small percentage, but the ideas people have been espousing lately make me doubt that percentage is that small. Especially if you look at the Trump rally ilk, not the most inspiring group of people out there.


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I was asking. Not telling bro.

So does red Maga hat = racist?

[Guardian]

I truly hope you’re right and that my assumptions are wrong here. I have my doubts though. If Trump goes gracefully and isn’t bitching about the deep state in six months, beer’s on me. 

Oh trump will whine. If courts say go he will go but we agree he will whine. My point is that the large majority of republicans will be ok if the courts look at it fairly and rule against him. So who’s the beers on if he does whine?

[N730]

Oh trump will whine. If courts say go he will go but we agree he will whine. My point is that the large majority of republicans will be ok if the courts look at it fairly and rule against him. So who’s the beers on if he does whine?

I'll buy. Mainly because I'd love to hang out with most of you guys and talk about anything but this damned election.

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[DosXX]

3 hours ago, torqued said:

Looks like I posted the link to the page right after you. We’ll see what the results are. 

Update on this: DHS Cyber Security Agency released a statement: 

“There is no evidence that any voting system deleted or lost votes, changed votes, or was in any way compromised.”

[Homestar]

1 hour ago, Seadogs said:

I'm done responding to most of you. Brain washed, a product of communist propaganda. "Even if I take him to the Soviet Union and show him the concentration camp with his own eyes, he will refuse to believe it."  

Thank you Jesus.

[Guardian]

I'm done responding to most of you. Brain washed, a product of communist propaganda. "Even if I take him to the Soviet Union and show him the concentration camp with his own eyes, he will refuse to believe it."  

Russians predicted it. This is the left to a T

[17D_guy]

5 hours ago, Homestar said:

Did his competitor spend months laying the seeds of doubt about the upcoming test so that they could, on test day, cry that the test was fouled up?

If similar irregularities occurred in 2016 are you saying that we should have re-run that election too?  Or is 2020 the first time we've ever had vote irregularities?

How far are you willing to go to see Trump installed as President on January 20th?

Jeez I really wish some Air Force general would get courtmartialed so we can finally argue about something worthwhile.....

https://www.airforcetimes.com/news/your-air-force/2020/11/10/fired-two-star-research-lab-commander-charged-with-sexual-assault/

 

Looking at those charges, I believe the general said, "I’ve gotta use some tic tacs, just in case I start kissing her. You know I’m automatically attracted to beautiful—I just start kissing them. It’s like a magnet. Just kiss. I don’t even wait. And when you’re a star they let you do it. You can do anything....Grab them by the pussy,...You can do anything”

No one cares update - daughter has covid, wife testing tomorrow, we'll see on me.  Guess there's nothing anyone could have done to stop the spread across our nation. At. All.

Edited November 13, 2020 by 17D_guy

[Guardian]

Drinking on a weeknight 17D?

I’ll join you. Here’s to no covid test results but should they come back positive here’s to a quick recovery.

Cheers.

[slackline]

https://www.cnn.com/2020/11/12/politics/donald-trump-fox-news-criticism/index.html

https://www.forbes.com/sites/joewalsh/2020/11/12/trump-is-now-trashing-fox-news-heres-what-may-be-his-ulterior-motive/?sh=1e85ab1a6421

https://www.axios.com/trump-fox-news-digital-media-competitor-25afddee-144d-4820-8ed4-9eb0ffa42420.html

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-8942185/Donald-Trump-planning-streaming-network-peel-Fox-viewers.html

Look at that MSM conspiracy trying to make Trump look bad using his own words and stuff.  How dare they!

Trump is always above board.  Most presidents do this, right?  I hope that's not too communist of a sentiment for you...

[slackline]

10 hours ago, 17D_guy said:

No one cares update - daughter has covid, wife testing tomorrow, we'll see on me.  Guess there's nothing anyone could have done to stop the spread across our nation. At. All.

Missed this last night.  Good luck and let us know on the rest of the family!

[drewpey]

On 11/12/2020 at 6:45 AM, Guardian said:

Well the republican sentiment you state above isn’t wrong. There is a large push to make the popular vote the vote that elects the president. Which is scary. I wonder if people who push for that realize what they are asking for.

 

 

 

Republicans will hate the electoral college well enough when Texas goes blue in a few elections.

[Guardian]

Assumption. Not fact. Where is your evidence. It’s just speculative opinion.

[slackline]

https://www.wsj.com/articles/trump-cries-election-fraud-in-court-his-lawyers-dont-11605271267

Interesting read in the WSJ if you have access.  BLUF: Not much to the claims when lawyers aren't willing to risk their licenses on unsubstantiated claims.  Also, judges won't admit the garbage they try to include.  

 

I guess this must mean, only leftist, Democrat judges are hearing all of these cases.  You have to admire the incredible planning that the Democrats put into stealing this election.  Getting everyone on board with them to include Republicans (must be RINOs) to publicly say there is no fraud, actual government officials in charge of elections to say this was the safest election we've had with no evidence of tampering or fraud, and then all judges (with the exception of one in PA because the AG for sure overstepped her authority) to get on board with the conspiracy as well.

 

Reminder, no results have been made official, and that's not what I'm saying here.  Just pointing out that Trump cares about Trump.  He couldn't care less about the damage he does to our system of government.  The doubt he has sewn and that people have bought, hook, line and sinker is astounding.  Our founding fathers are rolling in their graves over what this guy has done to the office...

 

Don't worry, Trump-vision, or whatever he names it, will give all of you something to drool over for the next four years until he runs again.  Hopefully, a real politician that cares about what happens to this country surfaces between then and now