New Air Force One

[Guest nsplayr]

I’m in board with kicking Boeing straight in the junk but what’s the alternative, buy an Airbus and start over with all the bespoke requirements of AF1?

Maybe we shouldn’t have allowed so much corporate consolidation and monopoly building over the last 40 years, then we would actually have other options. Boeing is too big to fail in commercial aviation, just like LM, Amazon, Google, etc. are in their industries. 

[brabus]

Therein lies the prime issue. We’ve fucked up for too long, time to rip the bandaid off and start fresh, which means there will be short term pain in a lot of ways, but as a society we’ve been way too focused on the now and barely even aware of what does 5, 10, 20 years down the road look like? As Tree said in another thread, we’ve already fucked unborn generations - it has to stop now. If we do, maybe 3-4 generations from now will be free of the financial impacts of their predecessors idiotic decisions. 

Edited February 20 by brabus

[herkbier]

Much like gun laws that we have and just need to enforce appropriately.. the primes need to be held accountable. Financially and probably criminally. 
 

The primes may have a monopoly on the product, but the US government in many ways has a monopoly on consuming the product.. time to start exercising that monopolistic power. 

[disgruntledemployee]

DOGE should just cancel it.  Trump can fly on his own plane.

[SurelySerious]

DOGE should just cancel it.  Trump can fly on his own plane.

That assumes he’ll just become dictator and be able to go for 3+ terms.

[disgruntledemployee]

On 2/21/2025 at 3:15 PM, SurelySerious said:

That assumes he’ll just become dictator and be able to go for 3+ terms.

I stand unastonished.  Not only will he take the gifted palace plane, he'll have use AF taxpayer money modify it, and he'll keep it afterwards.  I say if he's gonna keep it, he has to refund the tax $$ used to modify it.

https://abcnews.go.com/Politics/story?id=121680511

[Clark Griswold]

Just switch to 777

 

Not cheap, not easy but if king for a day it would be part of a 777 mil variant project, tanker/mobility, VVIP, new NECAP platforms.

[Standby]

5 minutes ago, Clark Griswold said:

Just switch to 777

 

Not cheap, not easy but if king for a day it would be part of a 777 mil variant project, tanker/mobility, VVIP, new NECAP platforms.

 

Dreamliner will do just fine. 

[Clark Griswold]

1 minute ago, Standby said:

Dreamliner will do just fine. 

Too beaucoup gi?

 

[Standby]

8 minutes ago, Clark Griswold said:

Too beaucoup gi?

 

I think so. I get the desire for the biggest and baddest. That said, I think it ultimately comes down to the engine redundancy…quads vs ETOPS. If it wasn’t for that, I think the 787 would take the cake based on higher cruise speed with comparable range.