Tank Posted August 22, 2013 Share Posted August 22, 2013 (edited) https://www.washingto...34cd_story.html He's lucky he didn't get life or the death penalty for what he did and now there are organizations petitioning President Obama to pardon him and his lawyer stated that he is planning on living his life as a women and if Ft. Leavenworth doesn't provide him with the hormone therapy he requires, then they are going to sue. WTF?!? When did espionage carry such a light sentence and when did federal prison become Club Med? Edit: PFC Bradley Manning Edited August 22, 2013 by Tank Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HeloDude Posted August 22, 2013 Share Posted August 22, 2013 ...that's 'Miss' Chelsea Manning to you. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vertigo Posted August 22, 2013 Share Posted August 22, 2013 ...and to think the guy that gave the order to committ the Haditha massacre in which 24 iraqi civilians were killed received a much harsher sentence of 3 months. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Prosuper Posted August 22, 2013 Share Posted August 22, 2013 This is a failure at so many levels before he/she even got a hold of classified information. His/her behavior was probably noticed in basic and just passed along as somebody's else's problem. This is what happens when the Army is just taking anybody to fill the ranks. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HeloDude Posted August 22, 2013 Share Posted August 22, 2013 ...and to think the guy that gave the order to committ the Haditha massacre in which 24 iraqi civilians were killed received a much harsher sentence of 3 months. ...but yet much less than the life in prison plea-deal that the Ft Lewis Army NCO is getting life for murdering all those Afghans. Unfortunately in a trial it goes down to what the prosecution thinks they can get vs what they believe should happen. I think Mannning definitely got what he deserved. He could have written various left wing Congressmen who I'm sure would have wanted to hear what he knew...but compromising classified info just to leak to some foreign national is a no-no. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
xaarman Posted August 22, 2013 Share Posted August 22, 2013 (edited) I'm voting presidential pardon of him and Snowden in 10-15 years. Old Lead Gitmo prosecutor says 8-8.5 years before parole. https://twitter.com/...188695833280512 Edited August 22, 2013 by xaarman Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LoneStar Posted August 22, 2013 Share Posted August 22, 2013 Dad?! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
deaddebate Posted April 4, 2015 Share Posted April 4, 2015 Chelsea/Bradley Manning tweeting through a PR firm, calling and dictating tweets to submit. https://twitter.com/xychelsea https://www.cnn.com/2015/04/03/us/chelsea-manning-joins-twitter/ https://abcnews.go.com/US/convicted-leaker-chelsea-manning-apparently-joins-twitter-prison/story?id=30096125 https://www.nbcnews.com/news/us-news/chelsea-manning-joins-twitter-prison-n335461 https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2015/apr/02/chelsea-manning-joins-twitter https://www.politico.com/story/2015/04/chelsea-manning-twitter-prison-116656.html Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
xcraftllc Posted April 5, 2015 Share Posted April 5, 2015 .. before he/she even got a hold of classified information. His/her behavior ... I think the proper terminology is "it". 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DirkDiggler Posted April 5, 2015 Share Posted April 5, 2015 I think the proper terminology is "it". False, it's shim 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
matmacwc Posted January 17, 2017 Share Posted January 17, 2017 Obama just commuted its sentence from 35 years to this May. If I hear anothe (D) complain about leaks or hacks I'll bring this crap up. Ughhh Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Homestar Posted January 17, 2017 Share Posted January 17, 2017 Wonder if "Bradley" Manning gets that same treatment. Or Snowden... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jaded Posted January 17, 2017 Share Posted January 17, 2017 1 hour ago, matmacwc said: Obama just commuted its sentence from 35 years to this May. If I hear anothe (D) complain about leaks or hacks I'll bring this crap up. Ughhh How is Manning related to Russian hacking during the presidential election? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SurelySerious Posted January 17, 2017 Share Posted January 17, 2017 How is Manning related to Russian hacking during the presidential election? I think the connection he's making is that they're making such a big deal about leaks and shiite or the Snowden deal, and then they go and make it clear that leaking classified is NBD by cutting this sentence down. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tac airlifter Posted January 17, 2017 Share Posted January 17, 2017 23 minutes ago, SurelySerious said: I think the connection he's making is that they're making such a big deal about leaks and shiite or the Snowden deal, and then they go and make it clear that leaking classified is NBD by cutting this sentence down. They care a lot about securing classified data. Their POTUS nominee was known for careful security practices so you can tell how important this issue is. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jaded Posted January 18, 2017 Share Posted January 18, 2017 I guess I still don't understand. Are you saying that by commuting Manning's sentence, Democrats don't care about classified data, and therefore are not allowed to claim they care about foreign influence in our elections? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
17D_guy Posted January 18, 2017 Share Posted January 18, 2017 They only care about leaking classified data if it's against them political ends. Since Manning leaked against Dubya, and a war they didn't start (but sure carried on) - no harm, no foul. They also care about classified only as long as they can strip headers from documents/emails for a personal, insecure server. I really hope he's not considering a Snowden pardon... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ThreeHoler Posted January 19, 2017 Share Posted January 19, 2017 Has anyone considered the ramifications of Manning staying in DOD prison and having gender reassignment? That is a whole box of worms there!Sent from my iPhone using Baseops Network Forums Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HeloDude Posted January 19, 2017 Share Posted January 19, 2017 8 hours ago, ThreeHoler said: Has anyone considered the ramifications of Manning staying in DOD prison and having gender reassignment? That is a whole box of worms there! Sent from my iPhone using Baseops Network Forums Much less than releasing him over 25 years early... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sneedro Posted January 19, 2017 Share Posted January 19, 2017 Cry and scream about the Russians hacking yet let this clown go free and say "he's been punished enough". I don't care what he says, between Hillary and now this, this is a dangerous precedent... So why is he/she special enough to get almost 3 decades of his sentence commuted and not this guy? https://www.military.com/daily-news/2016/08/19/sailor-gets-year-prison-taking-photos-nuclear-sub.html Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
guineapigfury Posted January 20, 2017 Share Posted January 20, 2017 The sailor in question got 1 year in jail, Manning got 35. Some quick googling indicates that the normal sentence for similar crimes to Manning's is 3 years or less. 7 years in Leavenworth and a dishonorable discharge seems like enough to me. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Herk Driver Posted January 20, 2017 Share Posted January 20, 2017 The sailor in question got 1 year in jail, Manning got 35. Some quick googling indicates that the normal sentence for similar crimes to Manning's is 3 years or less. 7 years in Leavenworth and a dishonorable discharge seems like enough to me.Similar crimes? For releasing 750k documents containing classified and sensitive information? Who got 3 years or less?Pollard - life in prisonAmes - lifeHansen - 15 life sentences Walker - lifeClinton - declined to prosecuteSo I guess that averages out to 3 years. I guess it depends on what you call 'similar crimes'.Sent from my iPhone using Baseops Network Forums 5 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
guineapigfury Posted January 20, 2017 Share Posted January 20, 2017 Pollard, Hansen, & Ames betrayed the US for money. Manning is a mentally ill dipshit who should have lost her clearance well before she did her damage. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Herk Driver Posted January 20, 2017 Share Posted January 20, 2017 Pollard, Hansen, & Ames betrayed the US for money. Manning is a mentally ill dipshit who should have lost her clearance well before she did her damage.True but I don't separate motivation for espionage from the act itself. They all did substantial damage to national security through their actions. Are you saying that 'similar crime' must equate to similar motive?Sent from my iPhone using Baseops Network Forums Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jaded Posted January 20, 2017 Share Posted January 20, 2017 47 minutes ago, Herk Driver said: True but I don't separate motivation for espionage from the act itself. They all did substantial damage to national security through their actions. Are you saying that 'similar crime' must equate to similar motive? Sent from my iPhone using Baseops Network Forums Would you make the same argument for murder vs. manslaughter? Isn't intent often used to determine sentencing? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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