Breckey Posted August 20, 2013 Share Posted August 20, 2013 It's in the Powder River MOA between IR473 and IR492. (45º33'15"N, 104º40'55"W) per the TFR Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pawnman Posted August 20, 2013 Share Posted August 20, 2013 Great news they made it out safely. I had a lot of friends in the community. Just curious, but is that on or near the Belle Fourche range? Yes, although the area directly over Belle Fourche doesn't include low altitude. It's got a shelf starting at 180. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
contraildash Posted August 20, 2013 Share Posted August 20, 2013 ...so according to Senator Jeff Flake's math this just saved a SQ of A-10s.... Seriously, glad everyone got out ok! Good to to hear after how rough this year has been. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pbar Posted August 20, 2013 Share Posted August 20, 2013 http://www.ellsworth.af.mil/news/story.asp?id=123360368 Crewmembers ID'ed; Maj Frank Biancardi II, Instructor Pilot Capt Curtis Michael, Instructor Pilot Capt Chad Nishizuka, Instructor Weapon Systems Officer Capt Brandon Packard, Instructor Weapon Systems Officer Thankfully they all survived. Unfortunately, Capt. Nishizuka lost his brother in the Afghanistan MC-12 crash. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fuzz Posted August 20, 2013 Share Posted August 20, 2013 Damn I couldn't figure out why his name looked so familiar. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WeatherManC130 Posted August 20, 2013 Share Posted August 20, 2013 http://www.ellsworth...sp?id=123360368 Crewmembers ID'ed; Maj Frank Biancardi II, Instructor Pilot Capt Curtis Michael, Instructor Pilot Capt Chad Nishizuka, Instructor Weapon Systems Officer Capt Brandon Packard, Instructor Weapon Systems Officer Thankfully they all survived. Unfortunately, Capt. Nishizuka lost his brother in the Afghanistan MC-12 crash. Would you guys fly again? If I were Capt. Nishizuka I would be finding another line of work. That is way too close to home. WxMan Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Snooter Posted August 20, 2013 Share Posted August 20, 2013 Nothing but instructors, most dangerous flight crew there is. As for the number of Class A's I'm sure there will be a committee stood up to review the reasoning and then an FCIF or the like will be released telling us that we need to "go back to basics" etc. etc. then ops normal... 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AnimalMother Posted August 20, 2013 Share Posted August 20, 2013 Nothing but instructors, most dangerous flight crew there is. Truer words are rarely spoken. In my experience however, leadership doesn't always agree. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
murdocjxx Posted August 20, 2013 Share Posted August 20, 2013 Nothing but instructors, most dangerous flight crew there is. As for the number of Class A's I'm sure there will be a committee stood up to review the reasoning and then an FCIF or the like will be released telling us that we need to "go back to basics" etc. etc. then ops normal... Quite the speculation without knowing any of the details Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
M2 Posted August 20, 2013 Share Posted August 20, 2013 Would you guys fly again? If I were Capt. Nishizuka I would be finding another line of work. That is way too close to home. WxMan Driving to and from work is still more dangerous... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Snooter Posted August 20, 2013 Share Posted August 20, 2013 Quite the speculation without knowing any of the details I wasn't referring to this accident in particular, I was referring to the number of Class A's that have occured this FY... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HeloDude Posted August 20, 2013 Share Posted August 20, 2013 http://www.ellsworth...sp?id=123360368 Crewmembers ID'ed; Maj Frank Biancardi II, Instructor Pilot Capt Curtis Michael, Instructor Pilot Capt Chad Nishizuka, Instructor Weapon Systems Officer Capt Brandon Packard, Instructor Weapon Systems Officer Thankfully they all survived. Unfortunately, Capt. Nishizuka lost his brother in the Afghanistan MC-12 crash. This is odd...AF PA rarely seems to release names in a mishap if they're not deceased. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Techsan Posted August 21, 2013 Share Posted August 21, 2013 Driving to and from work is still more dangerous... Ain't that the truth. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pbar Posted August 21, 2013 Share Posted August 21, 2013 http://m.billingsgazette.com/news/state-and-regional/montana/air-force-bomber-crashes-near-broadus-during-training-crew-ejects/article_ae05c864-4364-5b36-adb4-5dce07ffdd23.html?mobile_touch=true This article points to a possible cause if the eyewitness is to be believed... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
matmacwc Posted August 21, 2013 Share Posted August 21, 2013 That thing went in nearly straight up and down. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ThreeHoler Posted August 21, 2013 Share Posted August 21, 2013 http://m.billingsgazette.com/news/state-and-regional/montana/air-force-bomber-crashes-near-broadus-during-training-crew-ejects/article_ae05c864-4364-5b36-adb4-5dce07ffdd23.html?mobile_touch=true This article points to a possible cause if the eyewitness is to be believed... Eyewitlesses will always see smoke and/or fire before a crash whether either is there or not. People expect to see it, so they recall seeing it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hercster Posted August 21, 2013 Share Posted August 21, 2013 Eyewitlesses... I see what you did there lol Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pawnman Posted August 21, 2013 Share Posted August 21, 2013 Nothing but instructors, most dangerous flight crew there is. As for the number of Class A's I'm sure there will be a committee stood up to review the reasoning and then an FCIF or the like will be released telling us that we need to "go back to basics" etc. etc. then ops normal... Two were recent WIC grads. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Butters Posted August 21, 2013 Share Posted August 21, 2013 Eyewitlesses will always see smoke and/or fire before a crash whether either is there or not. People expect to see it, so they recall seeing it. They probably heard the engine making sputtering sounds as well... like it was out of gas! 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Snooter Posted August 21, 2013 Share Posted August 21, 2013 Two were recent WIC grads. Did they successfully evade/avoid the threat? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
10percenttruth Posted August 21, 2013 Share Posted August 21, 2013 Did they successfully evade/avoid the threat? "It Depends..." 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Disco_Nav963 Posted August 25, 2013 Share Posted August 25, 2013 (edited) Stories like this always provide great occasion for the news media to reflect on important defense issues... Like what the locals think about the Powder River training complex. Many ranchers, including Gnerer's husband, believe the bombers intentionally swoop over tractors and farm buildings for mock target-practice. And another dude: In the 1980s, he and his wife would complain regularly to Ellsworth Air Force Base about the noise. The couple believe that in response, the bombers increased their flyovers above their home. He said the planes are better now, flying higher than they once did, but he still believes they frequently dip below the 500 feet threshold they're supposed to adhere to. He said he's seen a B-1 fly as low as 50 feet. "The problem I guess I have with them is they don't respect our property, our livelihood; when they use your buildings for target practice and come over your buildings all day, all night," he said. Lanning regularly flies a small plane over his ranch to check reservoir levels and kill coyotes. He said the B-1s are frequently a terrifying presence to share the air with. With a maximum speed of 900 mph, a B-1 can streak past with little warning. "You got to keep in the back of your mind that you got to be watching for them the whole time," he said. He added that he and several other ranch pilots have had close calls. He said getting caught in the backdraft created by a B-1 is enough to rip the wings off a small aircraft like this own. Having to remember to "see and avoid" when flying VFR in a MOA for aircraft that were built to penetrate low and fast (STS) and have been there for over two decades... Must be awful. Edited August 25, 2013 by Disco_Nav963 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fuzz Posted August 25, 2013 Share Posted August 25, 2013 (edited) Having to remember to "see and avoid" when flying VFR in a MOA for aircraft that were built to penetrate low and fast (STS) and have been there for over two decades... Must be awful. I doubt there's much time for him to avoid by (if) the time he sees a B-1 Edited August 25, 2013 by Fuzz Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Disco_Nav963 Posted August 25, 2013 Share Posted August 25, 2013 I doubt there's much time for him to avoid by (if) the time he sees a B-1 Touche. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
magnetfreezer Posted August 26, 2013 Share Posted August 26, 2013 If only there was some type of notice published on a central FAA website or ATC agency you could contact to figure out if a MOA is hot. Sent from my DROID RAZR using Tapatalk 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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