Lumbergh Posted February 19, 2014 Share Posted February 19, 2014 Just curious if any commanders on here (or anyone) can comment on how long it takes to process your VSP app to the next step. Mine has been sitting at the Wing/CC level for 4 days. Shouldn't it be a simple approve/disapprove click and forward to the next agency? Thanks. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lossofclocklossofdata Posted February 19, 2014 Share Posted February 19, 2014 (edited) Official email channels. Thanks. 8...9...10. KO! Edited February 19, 2014 by lossofclocklossofdata Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FUSEPLUG Posted February 19, 2014 Share Posted February 19, 2014 (edited) Official email channels. Checks. We got an email forward of the message from AFPC from our MPF folks right about the time it started to blow up on BODN today. Edited February 19, 2014 by FUSEPLUG Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FBomb Posted February 19, 2014 Share Posted February 19, 2014 Wouldn't that be great? Get retained by the RIF board and then immediately passed over for promotion…there'll have to be a few... I'm an '03 guy, and thats exactly what happened in '11. The boards were less than 8 weeks apart if I remember correctly. We were notified 4 weeks after the RIF about our retention status, 6 months for the official promotion results. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
zach braff Posted February 19, 2014 Share Posted February 19, 2014 And obviously, they haven't announced if the '06 promotion board is this year or next year. I think they announced that via the board schedule for 2014 which does not include a board for the '06 group. Future year "estimated timelines" on the AFPC site show all Capt year groups pushed back a year for the O-4 board. Back to topic - I still haven't got the RIF delay mail via my official chain or MPF, but plenty of buddies forwarding the info. zb Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FBomb Posted February 19, 2014 Share Posted February 19, 2014 I think they announced that via the board schedule for 2014 which does not include a board for the '06 group. Future year "estimated timelines" on the AFPC site show all Capt year groups pushed back a year for the O-4 board. Back to topic - I still haven't got the RIF delay mail via my official chain or MPF, but plenty of buddies forwarding the info. zb The speed of the email's transmission seems tied to what MAJCOM you are in. There are two on my base, my unit received the email around 1400 EST. A friend of mine is a section commander working in the other MAJCOM, by COB today they did not have the email from AFPC. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MooseAg03 Posted February 19, 2014 Share Posted February 19, 2014 I'm still confused why everyone keeps referring to PSDM 13-65. Is that not completely separate guidance from 13-130 and 14-08? 13-130 clearly says if you are eligible for the RIF, you are eligible to VSP. I guess they figured they needed to stop the flood from the open gates before it even had a chance to get started. Although it sucks for a lot of us, this may be the smartest thing I've seen the AF do to date. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dupe Posted February 19, 2014 Share Posted February 19, 2014 Credit where credit is due.... At least AFPC is trying to sort it out prior to handing out pink slips. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ThreeHoler Posted February 19, 2014 Share Posted February 19, 2014 I'm still confused why everyone keeps referring to PSDM 13-65. Is that not completely separate guidance from 13-130 and 14-08? 13-130 clearly says if you are eligible for the RIF, you are eligible to VSP. I guess they figured they needed to stop the flood from the open gates before it even had a chance to get started. Although it sucks for a lot of us, this may be the smartest thing I've seen the AF do to date. Probably because 13-65 covers all FY14 voluntary separations. But I'm not in A1...I just stayed at a Holiday Inn Express last night. Expect completely a completely new PSDM (or extensive rewrites) to replace 13-130 soon, just like what happened today with 13-131 (FSB). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
panchbarnes Posted February 19, 2014 Share Posted February 19, 2014 Credit where credit is due.... At least AFPC is trying to sort it out prior to handing out pink slips. Sorry, but the "sorting" should have occurred in the planning stage and not the "execution" stage. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LookieRookie Posted February 19, 2014 Share Posted February 19, 2014 Probably because 13-65 covers all FY14 voluntary separations. But I'm not in A1...I just stayed at a Holiday Inn Express last night. Expect completely a completely new PSDM (or extensive rewrites) to replace 13-130 soon, just like what happened today with 13-131 (FSB). What changed with 13-131 (FSB)? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dupe Posted February 19, 2014 Share Posted February 19, 2014 Sorry, but the "sorting" should have occurred in the planning stage and not the "execution" stage. True, but at least they're adapting and realizing holes or poor assumptions. That didn't happen in 2011. Good DCA doesn't happen on the first leaf ...the skill is in the skates and recommits. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tunes Posted February 19, 2014 Share Posted February 19, 2014 big blue just keeps reiterating everyone's decision to get out..... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Crewdog135 Posted February 19, 2014 Share Posted February 19, 2014 ^^^^This X1000^^^^^^ If I flew my jet the way they manage the force I'd kick my own ass. I sure as hell wouldn't expect to ever get the keys again. Need to reduce the force? I know where they can start! For the love of God, this is basic shit here. Boss is breathing down your neck? Too ing bad! Get it right. Period. This stuff is too important to keep screwing up. Its real lives. Its real wasted man-hours. And its stress that shouldn't have happened. We deserve better than a B team effort. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
danvgalhb Posted February 19, 2014 Share Posted February 19, 2014 Assuming the RIF board meets in Oct, and if (a big IF) the timelines remain consistent with the artist formerly known as PSDM 13-130, then it looks like the pink slips from the RIF boards will arrive just in time for X-mas to go with a DOS sometime in Apr. I'll take a Pepsi challenge that the pink slip notifications get pushed back to Jan with a DOS NLT May because the board results will get delayed. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fighting_Falcon Posted February 19, 2014 Share Posted February 19, 2014 Assuming the RIF board meets in Oct, and if (a big IF) the timelines remain consistent with the artist formerly known as PSDM 13-130, then it looks like the pink slips from the RIF boards will arrive just in time for X-mas to go with a DOS sometime in Apr. I'll take a Pepsi challenge that the pink slip notifications get pushed back to Jan with a DOS NLT May because the board results will get delayed. anyone reached out to the sport books in vegas; could you imagine the O/U potential in this debacle...amazing! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pawnman Posted February 19, 2014 Share Posted February 19, 2014 Checks. We got an email forward of the message from AFPC from our MPF folks right about the time it started to blow up on BODN today. Man, I'd love to get any kind of email, or any kind of leadership at least telling me they've asked the questions and still don't have answers. Right now it's just eerily silent. I don't think I'd even know they were planning a RIF were it not for the one ADO who asked for a draft of my RRF. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
flyjetz Posted February 19, 2014 Share Posted February 19, 2014 This process is just insane. This is the 2nd delay, and the fourth change (since I started counting) for the VSP. What kind of monkey is running this? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NotADude Posted February 19, 2014 Share Posted February 19, 2014 We deserve better than a B team effort. That's pretty generous... 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fifty-six & Two Posted February 19, 2014 Share Posted February 19, 2014 Wait. Instead of just holding onto the 11X and 12X apps until they come out with the legit criteria; they are going to reject all those that have a flying training and make everyone reapply once the new PSDM is released. WTF? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BamaC-21 Posted February 19, 2014 Share Posted February 19, 2014 Wait. Instead of just holding onto the 11X and 12X apps until they come out with the legit criteria; they are going to reject all those that have a flying training and make everyone reapply once the new PSDM is released. WTF? As much as I hate to potentially walk away from the (alleged) money, I'll Palace Chase as soon as my app is returned and I get back to home station. There's still a 365 out there with my name on it, and I don't trust A1 to get their sh*t together before I have to take it. This is stupid, people deserve better, and I'm tired of dealing with it. FWIW...if the RIF board happens before I can PC, my Do Not Retain Me letter will be written in f*cking crayon. The fat kind. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tunes Posted February 19, 2014 Share Posted February 19, 2014 As much as I hate to potentially walk away from the (alleged) money, I'll Palace Chase as soon as my app is returned and I get back to home station. this....i return next month...my PC application will be in before the new RIF PSDM is released.....assuming the above is true about them kicking them all back. those of us in the MC-12 community just got this gem from APC after they changed our core IDs from 11M to 11R latest guidance from AFPC "You will be in the 11R bucket (E-3, E8, RJ)..a return to MAF is unlikely" Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dave Koza Posted February 19, 2014 Share Posted February 19, 2014 (edited) As much as I hate to potentially walk away from the (alleged) money, I'll Palace Chase as soon as my app is returned...And this is exactly what AFPC wants. No separation pay expense, plus some of those 500 Total Force pilot vacancies listed in the PSDM get filled. Now that they have tricked us into showing our cards, they have the chance to fully evaluate the market conditions and "change the truth" to their benefit. We are not being dealt with in good faith. Unfortunately, the short-term savings isn't worth the long-term loss of institutional credibility. But that'll be the next guy's problem. Edited February 19, 2014 by Dave Koza Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tunes Posted February 19, 2014 Share Posted February 19, 2014 And this is exactly what AFPC wants. No separation pay expense, plus some of those 500 Total Force pilot vacancies listed in the PSDM get filled. Now that they have tricked us into showing our cards, they have the chance to fully evaluate the market conditions and "change the truth" to their benefit. We are not being dealt with in good faith. Unfortunately, the short-term savings isn't worth the long-term loss of institutional credibility. But that'll be the next guy's problem. sadly, im 100% okay with this...i'd have to pay my vsp money back eventually, so yeah losing out on the interest free loan sucks....but the big picture is getting to the other side. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Romad Posted February 19, 2014 Share Posted February 19, 2014 looks like "delaying provisions of"...is this Obamacare? SNAFU, FUBAR... -----Original Message----- From: AFPC/DPTK Field Message Sent: Tuesday, February 18, 2014 6:40 PM Subject: FY14 Officer Reduction In Force (RIF) Board Postponement TO: MAJCOMS, A1/J1s, FSS/CCs, MPS/Chiefs, MPS Supts SUBJECT: FY14 Officer Reduction In Force (RIF) Board Postponement 1. The FY14 RIF Board is being postponed to 1 October 2014 due to limitations in the statutory authority governing the RIF Board and the new accountability date will be 2 May 2014. At this time, board details including eligibility are still being worked out. The remaining board schedules for enlisted and officers remain unchanged. This delay will also allow Airmen and their Senior Raters more time to concentrate on Retention Recommendation Forms and other actions required for the Enlisted Retention Boards, Enhanced SERB, and Force Shaping Board. 2. The Voluntary Separation Pay (VSP) program remains open to all eligible officers until 1 May 14 in an overage AFSC/year group on both the voluntary and involuntary matrices. Enlisted VSP and Officer/Enlisted TERA application windows are unaffected. If an officer has already submitted a VSP application in anticipation of being RIF eligible, they may elect to withdraw their application. However, once VSP application processing begins, and officers are approved for a VSP separation, they will not be able to request to withdraw the separation. 3. FAQs: 3.1 Will officers who have applied for VSP in lieu of meeting the RIF board and decide to pull their VSP application since the board is postponed be allowed to pull their applications? ANSWER: Yes, members will be able to pull their applications for VSP, through the Case Management System, prior to 28 Feb 14. Starting 3 Mar 14, AFPC will begin the batch approval process and active applications will be used in determining approvals, so no further withdrawals are possible. Additionally, once the RIF board and criteria are established, if a member wishes to resubmit at that time, as long as their AFSC is still "Blue" on the matrix, they will be permitted to do so. 3.2. Will officers that applied for VSP, and who were previously RIF eligible as of Feb 14, still be considered for VSP based on the officer voluntary matrix? ANSWER: Yes, as long as their AFSC and Year Group are still "Blue" on the matrix, their VSP application will continue to process. 3.3. Will the future RIF COMCAT and criteria change? ANSWER: Potentially, depending upon when the RIF board is scheduled to convene. Detailed criteria will be released in a PSDM, once the board date has been established. 3.4. Will AFPC return all RIF eligible officer VSP applications and let them apply later this year if the COMCAT and criteria changes? ANSWER: AFPC will not blanket return all officer VSP applications. If a member wishes to withdraw their application because they are no longer facing a RIF board in June, they may request to withdraw through the Case Management System (CMS). As long as the application window is still open and the member is still eligible based on the criteria, the member may apply or reapply. 3.5. Will the officer VSP window be extended for RIF vulnerable officers or will AFPC establish a separate VSP window for these officers? ANSWER: Air Force officials are considering options for the VSP window (in conjunction with the RIF board) based upon the delay for the RIF board. Further details will be provided at a later date. 4. PSDM 13-130, FY14 Officer Reduction in Force (RIF) Board, will be rescinded and a new PSDM will be published in the near future once board details have been determined. 5. POC is AFPC/DPSOR, email dpsor.taskmgt@us.af.mil. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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