A330 Tanker loses the boom...

[uhhello]

5 minutes ago, Sua Sponte said:

The USAF would’ve had to redesigned the 767-200 empanage, which it couldn’t afford. Also, the aft part narrows and there’s two pallet positions that would’ve been lost. This has less to do either the cameras and more to do with the boom flight control system (FLCS) when the receiver is too far low and in while in contact. 

Perfect.  Yeah i'm not saying the boom pod setup had anything to do with the latest mishap, just more why the fuck they did it in the first place.  Thanks.

[Sua Sponte]

27 minutes ago, uhhello said:

Perfect.  Yeah i'm not saying the boom pod setup had anything to do with the latest mishap, just more why the fuck they did it in the first place.  Thanks.

Copy, no worries. This is the fifth time this scenario has happened that I know of. Japan had this scenario happen 1-2 times with their -46s as well.

Edited Friday at 12:29 AM by Sua Sponte

[Arkbird]

3 hours ago, Sua Sponte said:

Copy, no worries. This is the fifth time this scenario has happened that I know of. Japan had this scenario happen 1-2 times with their -46s as well.

Doesn't japan also have KC-767s? Do they also use cameras or are they the old reliable boom pod? 

[Sua Sponte]

1 hour ago, Arkbird said:

Doesn't japan also have KC-767s? Do they also use cameras or are they the old reliable boom pod? 

Japan and Italy both got rid of their KC-767s and replaced them with the KC-46 (Italy calls the KC-46 the KC-767B for political reasons). The KC-767 used a window. The Dutch KDC-10s that Omega purchased used a camera system (dunno if Omega retrofitted the cameras with newer ones or used the window).

Edited Friday at 04:41 AM by Sua Sponte

[StoleIt]

On 7/18/2025 at 12:37 AM, Sua Sponte said:

Japan and Italy both got rid of their KC-767s and replaced them with the KC-46 (Italy calls the KC-46 the KC-767B for political reasons). The KC-767 used a window. The Dutch KDC-10s that Omega purchased used a camera system (dunno if Omega retrofitted the cameras with newer ones or used the window).

The KC-767 does not have a window/boom pod.

JASDF KC-767J:

 

Italian KC-767A:

[arg]

17 minutes ago, StoleIt said:

The KC-767 does not have a window/boom pod.

JASDF KC-767J:

 

Italian KC-767A:

What's with the goggles?

They get two AC vents? Spoiled rotten.

There's an unconfirmed story about a U model gunship coming home in the unicorn configuration.

[Biff_T]

4 minutes ago, arg said:

There's an unconfirmed story about a U model gunship coming home in the unicorn configuration.

They need to change the 46 from Pegasus to Unicorn.  

[Sua Sponte]

1 hour ago, StoleIt said:

The KC-767 does not have a window/boom pod.

JASDF KC-767J:

 

Italian KC-767A:

That's right, for some reason I thought they had paid to put a window in the back.

[Sua Sponte]

1 hour ago, arg said:

What's with the goggles?

They get two AC vents? Spoiled rotten.

There's an unconfirmed story about a U model gunship coming home in the unicorn configuration.

3D Goggles. The KC-46 boom operators use glasses that look like sunglasses for the same thing. 

[FourFans]

7 hours ago, StoleIt said:

The KC-767 does not have a window/boom pod.

JASDF KC-767J:

 

Italian KC-767A:

Yeah, but I've heard the JSDAF's booms are smaller and easier to get into the hole.

[arg]

1 hour ago, FourFans said:

Yeah, but I've heard the JSDAF's booms are smaller and easier to get into the hole.

That's what she said

[Clayton Bigsby]

From my understanding, a lot of the USAF’s issues with the KC-46 come from their program requirements they pushed to Boeing…the KC-767s have not (publicly at least) shared these issues. 

[BFM this]

9 hours ago, Clayton Bigsby said:

From my understanding, a lot of the USAF’s issues with the KC-46 come from their program requirements they pushed to Boeing…the KC-767s have not (publicly at least) shared these issues. 

Billions of cargo ton-miles flown by 767s every year.  OTS systems and parts just lying all around.

AF: yeah we want to redesign the tracks and rails.

Just cannot get out of their own way.

[Biff_T]

14 hours ago, FourFans said:

Yeah, but I've heard the JSDAF's booms are smaller and easier to get into the hole.

That's racist!

[Sua Sponte]

On 7/20/2025 at 8:13 AM, BFM this said:

Billions of cargo ton-miles flown by 767s every year.  OTS systems and parts just lying all around.

AF: yeah we want to redesign the tracks and rails.

Just cannot get out of their own way.

Commercial 767s don’t carry 463L pallets that have to be interchangeable for every USAF cargo and tanker aircraft.