F16Rooster Posted January 22, 2012 Share Posted January 22, 2012 Sometimes people need to STFU.... It always astounds me how often I've had to reiterate this to people. Maybe it takes learning the hard way....I know I did. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted January 22, 2012 Share Posted January 22, 2012 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
brewskis Posted January 27, 2012 Share Posted January 27, 2012 So the video was taken by a ######ing trunk monkey? Do they do stupid shit like that all the time? can do good every once and a while.. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Napoleon_Tanerite Posted January 27, 2012 Share Posted January 27, 2012 It always astounds me how often I've had to reiterate this to people. Maybe it takes learning the hard way....I know I did. Unfortunately you can never teach someone to STFU, they always need to learn it the hard way, and most (including me sometimes) need refresher training from time to time. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lord Ratner Posted February 2, 2012 Share Posted February 2, 2012 Wrong. It was an Aileron Roll. Why rated pilots are having a hard time distinguishing between the two, I can not fathom. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest CAVEMAN Posted February 2, 2012 Share Posted February 2, 2012 Wrong. It was an Aileron Roll. Why rated pilots are having a hard time distinguishing between the two, I can not fathom. Are there non-rated pilots? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sky_king Posted February 2, 2012 Share Posted February 2, 2012 There should be some de-rated pilots. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lord Ratner Posted February 4, 2012 Share Posted February 4, 2012 Are there non-rated pilots? Touche. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fudge Posted February 5, 2012 Share Posted February 5, 2012 Are there non-rated pilots? Students. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CJ-6A Posted February 12, 2012 Share Posted February 12, 2012 Barrel roll. No it wasn't Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Champ Kind Posted February 12, 2012 Share Posted February 12, 2012 No it wasn't Saw it again after my post. My bad. I'd chalk up my error to traveling for about 3 days to get to this little slice of heaven, but that would be quibbling. Either way, it was fucking stupid to do, and downright idiotic to record. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HeloDude Posted March 24, 2012 Share Posted March 24, 2012 I know this was posted in a different thread, but IMO it definitely deserves to get posted here: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lDOCh6QWQm8 I think this video should be shown to every aircrew member on the next safety day. I've heard a lot of folks (especially O-6's when talking to the squadrons) discuss various things as a 'lack of flight discipline', and sometimes those things discussed as lacking flight discipline is little more than guys just having a bad day (ie guys doing their job and then just making a mistake vs intentionally breaking a reg). I think this is one is pretty clear cut... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BQZip01 Posted March 24, 2012 Share Posted March 24, 2012 I know this was posted in a different thread, but IMO it definitely deserves to get posted here: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lDOCh6QWQm8 I think this video should be shown to every aircrew member on the next safety day. I've heard a lot of folks (especially O-6's when talking to the squadrons) discuss various things as a 'lack of flight discipline', and sometimes those things discussed as lacking flight discipline is little more than guys just having a bad day (ie guys doing their job and then just making a mistake vs intentionally breaking a reg). I think this is one is pretty clear cut... Looks like guys just doing their job...[/j/k] Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted March 24, 2012 Share Posted March 24, 2012 I think this is one is pretty clear cut... I wouldn't show this. I've blown the maps off the hood of more than one HMMWV. Not at all uncommon in the A-10. Crashing is bad but giving the guys a door check is not the end of the world. In fact, it means a lot to them. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Napoleon_Tanerite Posted March 24, 2012 Share Posted March 24, 2012 I wouldn't show this. I've blown the maps off the hood of more than one HMMWV. Not at all uncommon in the A-10. Crashing is bad but giving the guys a door check is not the end of the world. In fact, it means a lot to them. Not sure, but I've heard from various sources that the "return to target" that they were doing is a prohibited maneuver in the AH-64. If so, that means these guys knowingly busted a reg and bent a helicopter as a direct result. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted March 24, 2012 Share Posted March 24, 2012 Not sure, but I've heard from various sources that the "return to target" that they were doing is a prohibited maneuver in the AH-64. If so, that means these guys knowingly busted a reg and bent a helicopter as a direct result. I didn't know it was prohibited. I've seen Apaches do this many times. I've done it in an Apache myself. I've heard not tucking your PT shirt in is also a prohibited mnvr. We need to crack down on this kind of shit. Hard. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HeloDude Posted March 24, 2012 Share Posted March 24, 2012 I wouldn't show this. Sorry Rainman, but I respectfully disagree with you on this one. Unless there's something from the video we don't know (ie they were authorized to perform a 'return to target' type maneuver flying less than 50-100' over their buds or doing this in a direct combat situation), flying this way, especially around people, is never a good idea. We still show videos of the B-52 pilot clearing the ridge line by less than a couple hundred feet to only then later over-bank the aircraft during an airshow practice, killing everyone onboard--fortunately it appears that nobody died from this incident. Crashing is bad but giving the guys a door check is not the end of the world. In fact, it means a lot to them. At what point does reckless/dangerous flying become (or not become) criminal? Also, how are we going to teach the young guys 'what not to do' if we can never show them concrete examples? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FallingOsh Posted March 25, 2012 Share Posted March 25, 2012 At what point does reckless/dangerous flying become (or not become) criminal? Also, how are we going to teach the young guys 'what not to do' if we can never show them concrete examples? Flying as low as you're trained to fly is not reckless or dangerous. Even for a panel check. It's also within regs. A hog at 100' is different than a BUFF at 100'. If the return to target was illegal, then I guess that's not good. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nsplayr Posted March 25, 2012 Share Posted March 25, 2012 Flying as low as you're trained to fly is not reckless or dangerous. Even for a panel check. It's also within regs. That totally depends on the situation though. My airplane is certified and verified to fly at 1mm above the ground in the instant right after takeoff and right before landing. That's lower than snakeshit! So is that my minimum altitude if I wanna do a flyby for some Army dudes? Hyperbole yes but you get my point...even if you're allowed to fly low or high or fast or slow or whatever, it should be done for a mission-related reason. I've yet to hear of a mission that involves showing off max performance aircraft capes at random to dudes on the ground in some kind of seat of your pants airshow. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FallingOsh Posted March 25, 2012 Share Posted March 25, 2012 That totally depends on the situation though. My airplane is certified and verified to fly at 1mm above the ground in the instant right after takeoff and right before landing. That's lower than snakeshit! So is that my minimum altitude if I wanna do a flyby for some Army dudes? Unless your LASDT category is 1mm, then no. Reference my last post about being trained. Hyperbole yes but you get my point... No. I don't. even if you're allowed to fly low or high or fast or slow or whatever, it should be done for a mission-related reason. If you're allowed to fly low and fast and you aren't, then fuck you. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PirateAF Posted March 25, 2012 Share Posted March 25, 2012 What I'm hearing (and having a hard time believing): So the low flybys for the troops is ok...but you lose style points if you crash your aircraft. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tac airlifter Posted March 25, 2012 Share Posted March 25, 2012 That totally depends on the situation though. My airplane is certified and verified to fly at 1mm above the ground in the instant right after takeoff and right before landing. What the airplane can do is irrelevant if the crew isn't allowed and isn't trained. So is that my minimum altitude if I wanna do a flyby for some Army dudes? You ever fly with a dude trained to operate that aircraft at 1mm AGL? Then no. even if you're allowed to fly low or high or fast or slow or whatever, it should be done for a mission-related reason. I've yet to hear of a mission that involves showing off max performance aircraft capes at random to dudes on the ground in some kind of seat of your pants airshow. I've seen -15E's & Hogs do some wild LL passes for show of force/de-escalation events. Surely you've seen something similar in OEF? Granted this -64 dude appears to just be showing off, but I'm always willing to give a dude the benefit of the doubt and a single video NEVER tells he whole story. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Napoleon_Tanerite Posted March 25, 2012 Share Posted March 25, 2012 I've seen -15E's & Hogs do some wild LL passes for show of force/de-escalation events. Surely you've seen something similar in OEF? Granted this -64 dude appears to just be showing off, but I'm always willing to give a dude the benefit of the doubt and a single video NEVER tells he whole story. Given the distinct LACK of gunfire either from the ground or the helicopter, one can surmise that this video was not taken during active combat ops. That means that this is most likely showing off, which resulted in a mishap. I didn't know it was prohibited. I've seen Apaches do this many times. I've done it in an Apache myself. I've heard not tucking your PT shirt in is also a prohibited mnvr. We need to crack down on this kind of shit. Hard. Like I said, I've only "HEARD" that it was prohibited. I don't have 11-2AH-64v3 (or similar) to verify. And you know as well as I do that tucking in your shirt and flying a prohibited maneuver are two completely different things. One will ALWAYS result in the death of yourself and everyone around you, and the other only has the potential of causing an aircraft mishap. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cap-10 Posted March 25, 2012 Share Posted March 25, 2012 (edited) Given the distinct LACK of gunfire either from the ground or the helicopter, one can surmise that this video was not taken during active combat ops. That means that this is most likely showing off, which resulted in a mishap. Show of Force (SOF) vs Show of Presence (SOP)...only difference is desired effect. For all we know, the Apache was conducting a SOP of the FOB before departing...don't know, wasn't there. Cheers, Cap-10 Edited March 25, 2012 by Cap-10 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FallingOsh Posted March 25, 2012 Share Posted March 25, 2012 What I'm hearing (and having a hard time believing): So the low flybys for the troops is ok...but you lose style points if you crash your aircraft. Flying low is ok if you're current, qualified, and the situation allows (airspace, threat, etc). And yes, you lose points if you crash an aircraft. For all we know, the Apache was conducting a SOP of the FOB before departing...don't know, wasn't there. Cheers, Cap-10 Go easy on the ROE definitions in a public forum. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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