What's wrong with the Air Force?

[brabus]

Ultimately, the membership will come if the club and the members work to make it their own

True statement, but that will never happen unless the AF does an abrupt 180 (which I'll put a million bucks on will never happen). Clubs are still used to some extent overseas because it's close and easy to migrate over there when everyone's already too drunk to drive from work, but the level of use is still a far cry from the past I'm sure. But why the fuck would I go to one in the states where there's a ton of other establishments off base where I'm not paranoid about the SAPR gestapo, some shoe writing my name down for later consumption because they saw me do X, etc. Stop madness like that and the AF may see some revitalized use of the club. But when you castrate the "safety" of the club and make it somewhere where everyone has to closely monitor what they say and do, you drive people away. I'm not saying guys desire to do insane things, but even the slightest misspeak or perceived "bad" action these days could get you in a shitton of trouble.

What ever happened to people just leaving if they didn't like something? Instead they just go running to mommy and call foul.

[Wing Sweep]

Exactly..who bothers with these things anymore anyway

Hot female bartenders and waitresses would draw people in. If the MSGs truly catered and advertised to 20-30 year olds with concepts such as hot waitresses (e.g. Hooters, Bikinis, etc.), evening base passes for multiple college slut friends, cool bands and free drinks for the ladies from 6-9pm, then it could be epic. Until that happens, I'll be seeing you at the local pub downtown.

...and the drinks and food have to be quality items too, of course.

[Beaver]

Hot female bartenders and waitresses would draw people in. If the MSGs truly catered and advertised to 20-30 year olds with concepts such as hot waitresses (e.g. Hooters, Bikinis, etc.), evening base passes for multiple college slut friends, cool bands and free drinks for the ladies from 6-9pm, then it could be epic. Until that happens, I'll be seeing you at the local pub downtown.

...and the drinks and food have to be quality items too, of course.

You mean the 60 year old hag that acts like she owns the place doesn't do it for you?

[17D_guy]

The club at Vandenberg had a huge turnaround in 2010. They hired a legit outside chef, she came in and cleaned house. Food was great. No more stale potato chips with a "lunch." We actually took people there to eat instead of going downtown.

I don't know how it did after hours, because I lived 40 min away. But there were lines out the place for lunch, and no one bitched about the awards luncheons anymore.

It's really as easy as getting a professional in there with some pride in their product.

And hot chicks.

[C-21.Pilot]

Well, my experience at Del Rio didn't follow this. We were told you will do/buy X, Y, and Z (none of these were part of the official graduation) or you will not graduate. This came from leadership (IPs) after the club was telling us what we shall be buying from them and students trying to throw the BS flag.....

Well, anyone who fell into that scheme is a pure weak dick, pure and simple. Waving the BS flag - maybe with a limp wrist.

1. You trying to tell me that a young CGO (Flt/CC at KDLF) is telling the greater AF that a $1M asset won't graduate due to not wanting to spend $50-100 at the club? WTFO.

2. Leadership doesn't equate to IP's...

3. All I'm saying is that it is your money. You don't have to buy anything, period. Go do the "official" shit at the Club, but for heavens sake - if you think you have to spend $$$ on shit you don't want....really?

4. Send me your email address -- I have several Nigerian relatives that would love to get in contact with you.

[ForgotPassword]

All is not lost. I have come to learn that "Home of the Fighter Pilot" has been replaced on the Nellis main gate sign. Kudos to whoever had the stones to put that back up there.

[guineapigfury]

Well, anyone who fell into that scheme is a pure weak dick, pure and simple. Waving the BS flag - maybe with a limp wrist.

1. You trying to tell me that a young CGO (Flt/CC at KDLF) is telling the greater AF that a $1M asset won't graduate due to not wanting to spend $50-100 at the club? WTFO.

2. Leadership doesn't equate to IP's...

3. All I'm saying is that it is your money. You don't have to buy anything, period. Go do the "official" shit at the Club, but for heavens sake - if you think you have to spend $$$ on shit you don't want....really?

4. Send me your email address -- I have several Nigerian relatives that would love to get in contact with you.

That is unlikely. What isn't unlikely is that $1M asset getting sent to Creech.

[brabus]

Kudos to whoever had the stones to put that back up there.

Chief of Staff noticed it missing and asked "WTF?" It was back up shortly thereafter. Maybe a "small victory," but I'll take all these small victories any day over the massive losses suffered under previous leadership.

[Alpharatz]

I figured you could fit a biz jet out the front gate......but on the strip?

[di1630]

I had a lot of fun at the clubs on UPT assignment/grad nights and in Korea. At other clubs, SF actually sat outside waiting to harass people after a function. Also, I found at most holiday brunches I could get better food from the local buffet for 1/2 the price me and my buds who ate there all got sick as fook. But whining about the club like some on here is super Gaaaay as there are a lot bigger things to bitch about that matter. End thread//

[ForgotPassword]

Chief of Staff noticed it missing and asked "WTF?" It was back up shortly thereafter. Maybe a "small victory," but I'll take all these small victories any day over the massive losses suffered under previous leadership.

That a true story? When did this happen?

I wonder which dickhead had the stones to gripe until it was taken down. Surely not the base CC?

Edited June 16, 2014 by ForgotPassword

[MD]

That a true story? When did this happen?

I wonder which dickhead had the stones to gripe until it was taken down. Surely not the base CC?

That was good few years ago it was taken down, unless it was replaced again recently?

[spaceman]

He mentioned it in that AFA speech a few months ago where he talked about mustache March. He said they should have their sign, and other bases should put up their own sign too, like Home of the Comm Guy and so on, since people should be allowed to take pride in their communities.

[HU&W]

I don't remember seeing a "Home of the Fighter Pilot" sign last time I drove through the Nellis gate. They did have a very large sign that said "Do it... safely".

[ForgotPassword]

It's definitely up there now

[sky_king]

I don't remember seeing a "Home of the Fighter Pilot" sign last time I drove through the Nellis gate. They did have a very large sign that said "Do it... safely".

Soon to be replaced by "Do it... without sexual innuendo"

[StoleIt]

Soon to be replaced by "Do it... without sexual innuendo"

[Mustache Sally]

I just returned from Nellis. Was glad to see "Home of the Fighter Pilot" on the sign just past the main gate, in its rightful place!

[Majestik Møøse]

Maybe now we can finally get that "Home of the Fatty Pilot" sign at Travis.

[brabus]

That a true story? When did this happen?

True...2 or 3 months ago, don't remember exactly, but it hasn't been very long.

Edited June 17, 2014 by brabus

[17D_guy]

...Home of the Comm Guy Cyber Person...

FTFY, and it would be Keesler.. which is awful.

[StoleIt]

True...2 or 3 months ago, don't remember exactly, but it hasn't been very long.

Pretty awesome to hear.

Who was the jack ass who decided to take it down? MSG/CC? Hope that person feels like a dick right now knowing they got called out by the CSAF.

[BFM this]

I'm betting that in some narcissistic way, they found validation in getting called out by CSAF.

[Gravedigger]

FTFY, and it would be Keesler.. which is awful.

This is something else that is wrong with the Air Force. The fact that all comm was renamed "cyber" and that most "cyber" Airmen have no idea what is actually happening in the cyber ops world. Cyber ops (offensive and defensive network warfare) should be an ops AFSC (17D) and called cyber, because it is an actual domain that is contested and can be used kinetically i.e. "supported." This AFSC should be filled with smart people. Base comm and all of the other comm functions that have zero to do with cyber ops should be a support AFSC (33S) and called comm i.e. "supporting." This AFSC can be stocked with anybody. They also need to move Cyber Command out of AFSPC and make it its own MAJCOM. It is far too important to be a NAF in a MAJCOM that operates in a completely separate domain.

[Skitzo]

Comm is one of the most messed up entities in the Air Force. Between ADPE/computers, network infrastructure and telephone control officers it is redic. AFNET has made it even worse. Have a problem with email? Contact squadron comm who will contact base comm who will contact MAJCOM who will contact AFNET. In 6 weeks maybe your issue will be resolved.

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