StoleIt Posted August 10, 2010 Share Posted August 10, 2010 (edited) Published August 09, 2010 | The Wall Street Journal Feb. 25: U.S. Air Force F-15 Raptor fighter jets fly over Kadena Air Base in Japan. WASHINGTON—The Obama administration plans to sell advanced F-15 fighter jets to Saudi Arabia but won't equip them with long-range weapons systems and other arms whose inclusion was strongly opposed by Israel, diplomats and officials said. The proposed $30 billion, 10-year arms package, which would be one of the biggest single deals of its kind, has been a source of behind-the-scenes tension during months of negotiations. Israeli officials have repeatedly conveyed their concerns in private that the U.S. risks undermining its military advantage by equipping regional rivals with top-flight technologies. U.S. officials say they provided "clarifications" in recent weeks about the deal to help damp Israel's qualms. Two officials close to the negotiations said Israel still had some reservations, but that the country isn't expected to challenge the sale by lobbying Congress, which can hold up the deal or push for assurances of its own. The administration is expected to formally notify Congress of its plans as early as next month. The information-sharing with Israel is part of a longstanding commitment by successive U.S. administrations to maintain its military edge in the region. Congress has the power to block any weapons sales deemed detrimental to Israel's military advantage. The tussle is a window into the White House's delicate balancing act in the Middle East. The administration has championed advanced weapons sales to Gulf states as a way to check Iranian power. In addition to Saudi Arabia, the U.S. has moved to sell arms to the United Arab Emirates and other Gulf states, as well as support on a smaller scale the Lebanese army and Palestinian security forces in the West Bank. Iran is far from the only security challenge facing Saudi Arabia, which has considerably beefed up its standing army since Iraq's invasion of Kuwait, when the ruling Saud family began to see potential border troubles as a more serious threat. Earlier this year, Saudi armed forces sustained heavy losses during extended skirmishes with Yemeni rebels on the southern border, the kind of flare-up a new crop of fighter jets would seemingly be ideal to fight. But the scope and size of the Saudi deal has unnerved Israel and its allies in Congress at a time when U.S.-Israeli relations are particularly unsteady. Article copied from Fox News but they lifted it from the Wall Street Journal (http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2010/08/08/sell-f-fighter-jets-saudis/). I thought these were reputable news organizations? I mean really? And I guess nobody thought it would be good to check and see if Saudi Arabia already owned any F-15's...I mean they only have 82 C/D models and 71 S (E) models... Edited August 10, 2010 by stoleit2x Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Napoleon_Tanerite Posted August 10, 2010 Share Posted August 10, 2010 Article copied from Fox News but they lifted it from the Wall Street Journal (http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2010/08/08/sell-f-fighter-jets-saudis/). I thought these were reputable news organizations? I mean really? And I guess nobody thought it would be good to check and see if Saudi Arabia already owned any F-15's...I mean they only have 82 C/D models and 71 S (E) models... not to mention a few E-3s to control them. The Saudi Air Force ain't too bad, at least equipment-wise. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SurelySerious Posted August 10, 2010 Share Posted August 10, 2010 Article copied from Fox News but they lifted it from the Wall Street Journal (http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2010/08/08/sell-f-fighter-jets-saudis/). I thought these were reputable news organizations? I mean really? Must be Fox News, WSJ had a different photo and a seemingly correct caption. Associated Press In this photo taken Jan. 25, 2009, F-15 warplanes of the Saudi Air Force fly over Riyadh during a graduation ceremony at King Faisal Air Force University. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SuperWSO Posted August 10, 2010 Share Posted August 10, 2010 not to mention a few E-3s to control them. The Saudi Air Force ain't too bad, at least equipment-wise. Now if only they could hire some Israelis to fly their hardware. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Boxhead Posted August 10, 2010 Share Posted August 10, 2010 Now if only they could hire some Israelis to fly their hardware. ZING! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hacker Posted August 10, 2010 Share Posted August 10, 2010 Now if only they could hire some Israelis to fly their hardware. Then they'd have some average pilots and WSOs. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BQZip01 Posted August 10, 2010 Share Posted August 10, 2010 (edited) news reporter: "Is there any real difference between the F-15 and the Raptor?" Edited August 10, 2010 by BQZip01 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted August 10, 2010 Share Posted August 10, 2010 Then they'd have some average pilots and WSOs. Shack. BTW, what would you call this formation...? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cooter Posted August 10, 2010 Share Posted August 10, 2010 Shack. BTW, what would you call this formation...? Not sure but I think I saw it in the Mighty Ducks when I was kid! Cooter Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
StoleIt Posted August 11, 2010 Author Share Posted August 11, 2010 Shack. BTW, what would you call this formation...? Arrow head or something? Think I remember that from a T-Bird show. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Hueypilot812 Posted August 11, 2010 Share Posted August 11, 2010 Then they'd have some average pilots and WSOs. Fighting Arab air forces can make just about anyone look good. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Toro Posted August 11, 2010 Share Posted August 11, 2010 BTW, what would you call this formation...? Saudi tactical. Don't even get me started on these idiots. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HercDude Posted August 11, 2010 Share Posted August 11, 2010 Shack. BTW, what would you call this formation...? Numbers 27, 28, 29, and 30 in their UPT class. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SurelySerious Posted August 11, 2010 Share Posted August 11, 2010 Numbers 27, 28, 29, and 30 in their UPT class. #26 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ACCBoomer Posted August 11, 2010 Share Posted August 11, 2010 Well played! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gravedigger Posted August 11, 2010 Share Posted August 11, 2010 #26 Don't know anything about Preds, but don't you generally take the "remove before flight" tags off pre-taxi? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hacker Posted August 12, 2010 Share Posted August 12, 2010 Don't know anything about Preds, but don't you generally take the "remove before flight" tags off pre-taxi? Lots of jets taxi with pins still in, usually armament pins. The pin on the close side could be for the Hellfire, not sure what the one up there by the FLIR turret is. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted August 12, 2010 Share Posted August 12, 2010 Saudi tactical. Don't even get me started on these idiots. C'mon...go for it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lawman Posted August 13, 2010 Share Posted August 13, 2010 Lots of jets taxi with pins still in, usually armament pins. The pin on the close side could be for the Hellfire, not sure what the one up there by the FLIR turret is. We dont have Arm/Safe pins on Hellfires. Somebody told me the Navy has one for the Rocket Motor on theirs but that would surprise me since the M299 rail its self actually has an Arm/Safe switch on the front of it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
VL-16 Posted August 13, 2010 Share Posted August 13, 2010 (edited) Numbers 27, 28, 29, and 30 in their UPT class. It's funny because it's true... I think all of the IP's in my flight during phase III ended up with more gray hair because of our Saudi. One of our JASDF dudes was unofficially paired with him throughout formation too, poor bastard. Edited August 13, 2010 by CBM_BB Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SurelySerious Posted August 13, 2010 Share Posted August 13, 2010 We dont have Arm/Safe pins on Hellfires. Somebody told me the Navy has one for the Rocket Motor on theirs but that would surprise me since the M299 rail its self actually has an Arm/Safe switch on the front of it. Preds do, and Hacker shacked the pin in the wing. One on the ball is for the laser. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BolterKing Posted August 13, 2010 Share Posted August 13, 2010 Saudi tactical. Don't even get me started on these idiots. Ever tried to get the Saudi F-15's to a merge? Talk about a bunch of pussies. Besides, Allah is on their side and all their weapons have a Pk of 1.0. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
schokie Posted August 14, 2010 Share Posted August 14, 2010 Ever tried to get the Saudi F-15's to a merge? Talk about a bunch of pussies. I didn't think they were that scared. I heard they go to the merge all the time in the pattern. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
usaf36031 Posted August 16, 2010 Share Posted August 16, 2010 Us: "Dude, your boldface is due NOW" Saudi kid in T-6 class: "No...isss okaayyy...I do tomorrow...ok....no problem..." Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Duck Posted August 16, 2010 Share Posted August 16, 2010 I pictured the cleaning lady from family guy after reading your post, usaf36031. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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